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03/11/2024

Brandi, the young mustang mare from the Sand Springs HMA in Oregon, USA. She’s been at her new home since September 6th. She can be groomed and sprayed, which my clients have worked on on their own, and haltered, which we’ve done together. I’m now starting foot handling with her. To be brief, here are some notes about my approach:

🟤 Why I use a pool noodle: I don’t want to put my face (or any other parts) down there, because I don’t know what to expect from her (which turns out to be a good decision).

🟤 The buoy: used as an anchor rather than tying (which is a separate skill), as well as an additional way to get reinforcement when she’s confused, and to keep momentum going.

🟤 Using hay: even timothy pellets are too high value, and dropped hay is an opportunity to take a break if she needs one.

🟤 Changing how I use the noodle: just touching the fetlock was not enough information and probably surprising, so combining the contact with the hip with using the noodle provided more continuity and less surprise.

🟤 The beginning doesn’t always look like the end: she’s kicking because that makes the most sense to her in her repertoire of behavior, and because I’ve reinforced it before in order to get the leg lift to start, not because she’s trying to be malicious.

🟤 Shaping the kick to just a lift: slowing the speed at which I moved the noodle allowed us to explore different responses.

13/09/2024

This is Brandi. She’s a three-year-old mustang, unhandled, from the Sand Springs HMA in Oregon, USA. She belongs to some lovely clients who have five other mustangs they’ve already tamed/gentled (I dislike both of those terms, but don’t have a better one). Brandi arrived on Friday September 6th, and this video was taken four days later. My client had spent time with her over the last few days and had been able to go in and feed her and touch her. This is the second time I’ve met her, but the first time I’ve actually worked with her other than chucking food in a tub from outside the pen two days ago, when she wouldn’t take food from my hand.

We know we need to be able to reliably catch and halter her before she can be let out of the pen, and since she was doing so well, I thought I’d get that process started. This is about a minute and a half at the end of a longer session (over the course of about an hour, with several breaks and scratches), where she not only learned to put first her nose, then her whole head, then her neck in a loop, she decided to come to the loop from across the pen and “halter” herself as though she’d never *not* done it. There were a few previous steps, but otherwise almost no “formal” work.

This little mare is so different than I expected, and I feel so much relief and wonder in that surprise. I’m largely stepping back from social media for a while due to some painful life events, but I wanted to share this very bright spot in the darkness of the moment. I will have more to share when I’m in a lighter place.

I have so much to say about this that I can’t say anything at all. I’m just going to leave this here.
06/08/2024

I have so much to say about this that I can’t say anything at all. I’m just going to leave this here.

I’ve seen a LOT of claims that it’s just the “arm chair trainers” who are concerned about horse welfare in upper level sports and that there’s no reason to think elite sport horses have any welfare implications.

But, that’s not true.

The concern for welfare and desire to reform horse welfare in sport is evidence based.

There have been many studies showing trends of stress, many of which repeatedly being linked to the same factors.

There’s also been evidence that horse people, as a general rule, aren’t accurately reading horse behaviour and often misinterpret stress as “excitement.”

Even professionals.

The push to make evidence based changes to modern horse sport isn’t coming from a lack of experience.

Or made up beliefs.

There is merit to it.

Sources:

Effects of different head–neck positions on the larynges of ridden horses

https://wiley.scienceconnect.io/api/oauth/authorize?ui_locales=en&scope=affiliations+alm_identity_ids+login_method+merged_users+openid+settings&response_type=code&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fonlinelibrary.wiley.com%2Faction%2FoidcCallback%3FidpCode%3Dconnect&state=Dps2IO0LOrpSUAYYguc7KtuRrf28v6p%2BGQvmml7isNKO0VnuBDd35w6GCizpVGErUtI4QyX%2BZcnMNMLj97hGCMvzOnDpuKx%2BMLPIip2%2BY0nAIScrXBD3nhnhbfu8SqyYeqSHqcd4bg1nyrqmNf%2FBRQ%3D%3D&prompt=none&nonce=GKquhZCnqBQuiWMSI6MrsYR1vTcedRyg7%2B3IjVv9t4U%3D&client_id=wiley

Is the welfare of sport horses assured by modern management practices?

https://agro.icm.edu.pl/agro/element/bwmeta1.element.agro-288b0b64-bb47-4837-add7-fce405e4b318

Indicators of stress in equitation

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168159117300692

Determining International and National Equestrian Expert Opinions on Domains and Sub-Domains Essential to Managing Sporthorse Health and Welfare in the Olympic Disciplines

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/13/21/3404

Tools of the Trade or Part of the Family? Horses in Competitive Equestrian Sport

https://brill.com/view/journals/soan/22/4/article-p352_2.xml

Investigating Equestrians' Perceptions of Horse Happiness: An Exploratory Study

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34416986/

Untangling the Complex Relationships between Horse Welfare, Rider Safety, and Rider Satisfaction

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08927936.2023.2176589

Horses Could Perceive Riding Differently Depending on the Way They Express Poor Welfare in the Stable

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0737080620302975

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/293195838_Potential_Effects_of_Stress_on_the_Performance_of_Sport_Horses

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/293195838_Potential_Effects_of_Stress_on_the_Performance_of_Sport_Horses

Equestrian partnerships: A qualitative investigation of the relationship between horse and rider in elite equestrian sports

https://researchoutput.csu.edu.au/en/publications/equestrian-partnerships-a-qualitative-investigation-of-the-relati-3

Comparison of head–neck positions and conflict behaviour in ridden elite dressage horses between warm-up and competition

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0168159124000509

New insights into ridden horse behaviour, horse welfare and horse-related safety

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168159121003269

Does work affect personality?:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3036583/

Conflict behaviour in show jumping. Horses:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0737080617300552

Do horses enjoy jumping:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1558787812001931

Effect of horse age and number of riders on horse behaviour:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1558787820301362

Stress and temperament affect working memory: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0003347213004302

Conflict behaviour in elite dressage and show jumping horses: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1558787814002226

Ridden horse pain ethogram: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1558787822000685

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1558787816301848

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1558787816301848

Objective Pain assessment in horses: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090023318306245
Conflict behaviour in dressage horses: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1558787822000843

Influence of stress level on performance: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0034528817308305

Welfare improvement in sport horses: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168159120300502

Effects of hyper flexion: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031938414000419

Ridden horse welfare: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168159121003269

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0749073910000659

Correlation of common training gadgets and conflict behaviour: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S155878782100157X

Assessment of ridden horse behaviour: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1558787812000779

Can pain be determined by facial expression?: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1558787817300199

Bit related studies on discomfort:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1558787822001344

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090023308003316

Comfortabilitt to new stimuli socially transmissibale: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168159118301059

Welfare improves rider safety: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168159121003269

Impact of stress on performance: https://vet.arioneo.com/en/blog/stress-in-horses-what-impact-on-health-and-performance/

Equitation science minimizing risk/:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4810043/

Detecting welfare in non verbal species: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/11/8/2249

05/08/2024
Looking for a used pair of Shoo-fly leggings for this sturdy pony lady. I would buy new, but she's so good at dismantlin...
03/08/2024

Looking for a used pair of Shoo-fly leggings for this sturdy pony lady. I would buy new, but she's so good at dismantling things that I don't want to invest much only to see them torn to shreds in literally five minutes. Anyone got any they don't need anymore?

18/07/2024

Excellent!
Dans cette étude, les chercheurs ont analysé sur quelle partie du cheval se concentrait le regard des juges.
Dans ma quete du ''travail juste'' du cheval, je me concentre sur les sabots du cheval, leur synchronisation, leur coordination...et l'effet sur la position du cavalier.
Car dans les requêtes des personnes qui s'intéressent a developper le travail en équilibre du cheval, il revient toujours la question du comment juger en temps réel sans analyse vidéo du mouvement au ralenti?

Et vous? vous regardez quoi pour juger si votre cheval est en équilibre?

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurodressage.com%2F2024%2F07%2F17%2Finnovative-eye-tracking-study-reveals-crucial-insights-dressage-judging&h=AT32nw6K5IK0hiZEaNa7jQk8oAeieZz5dNL_RO59Eh92l5NRVo2yIr7nLMduhZOnANG3eaQGgcs2UdAV1_WVo4Xe86hsmwev5eU1plHxw1ymxptmaTu9yzDTdfMXaYq9Kw&s=1

I’ve had a couple people recently talk to me about looking for holes in their horses’ training. Maybe it makes more sens...
18/07/2024

I’ve had a couple people recently talk to me about looking for holes in their horses’ training. Maybe it makes more sense to look for what they CAN do. You can teach them anything by building on what they already know, but they have to be physically, emotionally, and mentally capable of it. More than that, YOU have to be able to tell what they can do and what they’re ready for.

The guy making YouTube videos claiming to solve a particular problem hasn't met your horse. They haven’t met you. They can tell you what to do, but do you know why you’re doing it? Do you know how to do it with YOUR horse? Do you know when that thing is appropriate, or when something else might work better? And, are you seeing the whole process, or is the video edited for a miracle before-and-after? How does their horse look? How are they moving - quick, choppy, soft, smooth, trying to avoid the handler or waiting calmly? How is their expression - is there tail swishing, ear pinning or ears out sideways, tension in the mouth, nostrils, or eyes? Look for those things in your own horse, too.

When problem-solving a situation, or making plans for the future, here are a few things to consider:

For the horse:
- Tack must be right for both horse and human
- Training must consider the horse’s physical, mental, and emotional well-being
- Consistency in frequency and type of handling and training
- Management must fulfill the horse’s needs as best as possible

For the human:
- Consistency - you have to do the work
- Willingness and ability to change and to learn
- Willingness to accept horse as they are

For the goal:
- Success depends on the two above
- Must be break-downable
- Has to be reasonable for both horse and human

There are no free rides, but there are options. If you don’t want to put the time in, find and pay for a horse that has already had it. If you’re attached to your horse but they aren’t fulfilling your goals, you have to invest, either by spending time and/or money learning how to train, or find a trainer and pay for their time and learning. The bottom line: if you don’t change something, nothing will change. It’s simple, but none of it is easy.

This is a touching video of a man spreading someone’s ashes, while holding the horse of the deceased. I chose not to sha...
15/07/2024

This is a touching video of a man spreading someone’s ashes, while holding the horse of the deceased. I chose not to share the video; I think this frame is ebough to tell the story.

Comments and shares indicate people thinking the horse knows the ashes belong to the deceased rider, and the running/bucking is a response to grief.

While I feel for the friends and family of the deceased, and don’t disagree with this practice in theory, I’m going to disagree that either of those horses understand what’s happening, based on their behavior. That is all flight/avoidance/escape behavior in response to/away from the scary stimulus of the ashes. Bucking is a flight/fight behavior. The return to the mounted horse is a normal behavior, especially in a stressful situation such as what just happened. Much respect for the idea and again condolences to all involved, but the interpretation of equine behavior by the general public here is unfortunately anthropomorphic, and I feel this perpetuates an inappropriate narrative of how horses see their world.

I'm sharing this now so I can come back to it later, but if you're having trouble with your horse under saddle, this is ...
14/07/2024

I'm sharing this now so I can come back to it later, but if you're having trouble with your horse under saddle, this is the first place to look. If your particular saddle, English or Western, doesn't basically follow this pattern on your particular horse's back, that's most likely going to be a problem. And, if your horse's back is habitually hollow or swaybacked, there probably isn't a saddle that will fit well, and you're going to need to try some rehab work first to see if that makes a beneficial change.

I was just thinking yesterday about putting together a presentation for local horsefolk about basic behavior analysis. W...
13/07/2024

I was just thinking yesterday about putting together a presentation for local horsefolk about basic behavior analysis. Would that be something you'd do?

Behavioural knowledge should come first 🐴

How to read basic equine behaviour should be the first thing anyone learns about horses, not just something that you talk about once you have a problem. Unfortunately the industry has a really long way to go.

I have started running online talks for young people/riding clubs/various groups based around reading very basic horse behaviour. Part of the talk involves showing a variety of images and getting people to tell me what they see in terms of how they think that horse is feeling or what could be going on in that scenario. A huge number of people cannot recognise very basic indicators of stress and yet they could name and put together every piece of a double bridle or jump round a XC course. Why are we not prioritising teaching this stuff?

The difficulty is the instructors don’t know it either, the amount of misinformation being spread surrounding behaviour being taught by highly-regarded people with industry-recognised qualifications is so frustrating. And its not their fault, because that is what they have been taught, this is the industry standard. Its all about getting horses to comply and if you’re good at doing that and you say nice things to the horse while you’re doing it then you’re a great horseperson. How can anyone learn about stress if seeing highly-stressed horses is normalised?

While I appreciate there is much more talk around looking for pain as a reason for behaviour now, things are still very lacking and a lot of horses are still being treated like crap despite people’s good intentions. We’re still describing their behaviour away as dominant, cheeky and stubborn instead of recognising a horse under stress that is not coping with what is being asked of them.

I used to think I was a great trainer and thought I knew all about horse behaviour because I practiced some natural horsemanship techniques which basically involved moving their feet until they did what I wanted. I would get results and compliance and I did encourage people to go to the vet to look for pain when it didn’t work, but it was very basic level and I now realise I missed so, so many subtle behavioural cues. My information was false, I had just believed what someone else had told me and discounted anything that made me feel uncomfortable about what I was doing. Once I really studied behavioural science I had to change what I was doing and the way I was looking at horses if I wanted to be more ethical.

My friend told me an interesting memory of her first riding lesson as a child. She remembers arriving and being upset because the pony was tacked up in the arena waiting for her and they wanted her to mount straight up, she said “but the pony hasn’t met me before, he doesn’t know me? I can’t just get straight on his back?” I would imagine the majority of people who start riding horses do so because they love horses. Wouldn’t life be so much better for our horses if we were taught to treat them as sentient beings and respect them as animals from day one instead of indoctrinated into dominating them as if that is the only way.

This isn’t a traditional vs natural horsemanship debate, a lot of the natural horsemanship stuff is full of behavioural pseudoscience and its just making horses do stuff with flags and ropes instead of whips and spurs while using fluffier language. We praise training when we hear kind words and stories that make us feel good, even if the horse we’re looking at is telling us otherwise. How can we hear what the horse is saying if someone keeps mistranslating their words to us?

This isn’t meant to be a negative post, I just really want to offer resources to anyone who wants them. Interestingly I find the people who are newer to horses are much more open to listening and understanding this stuff. There is so much amazing content available online now to open up doors to people who want to do the best for their horses. Please DM me if you’d like to organise an online interactive talk for your group. 🐴

www.lshorsemanship.co.uk

11/07/2024

I’ve been working with Fool’r since the very end of April. I’ve needed to have a rotation of behaviors to select from so I wasn’t drilling any one thing, in order to keep him calm and engaged. We have worked on SS/FF (stand still, face forward), but it was initially a challenge as he can sometimes be a somewhat anxious horse. Now that we’ve had some time to learn the game from different perspectives doing different things, we can begin to refine all the things we’ve started in our time together.

This brings up the question of whether you have to have a behavior solid and “finished” before moving on to another one, especially one that’s related - standing still is related to movement as they are essentially opposites. As with all things, I think it depends on several variables, including the temperament of the horse, the tasks you’re looking to do, how long you’ve been working together and how comfortable and confident the horse is with the training, and the gap between what that horse is initially comfortable with vs their comfort level with where you’re taking the training.

For example, Fool’r is pretty comfortable, I could even say he finds it necessary, to be really close to the human. He was not initially comfortable putting his feet on novel objects like the blue mat. If I had drilled SS/FF in the beginning, insisting on him stationing on the mat and looking for distance and duration away from the human, it would have been really challenging for him and may not have worked at all. But now we’ve been working together long enough that he’s much more comfortable with me moving away from him while he hangs out on the mat.

Of course there are benefits to having a horse that can stay in one place for a length of time and be content to do so, but this skill will have a knock-on effect for all the other skills. The overall effect is building the meta skill of being comfortable and confident - something every horse (and human!) can use.

I jammed my middle finger a few days ago, and it really hurt. It still does, actually. It changed how I moved, how I use...
10/07/2024

I jammed my middle finger a few days ago, and it really hurt. It still does, actually. It changed how I moved, how I used my hands, and even what things I chose to do or not do. I’m a person. I can talk. Had I not complained about it, no one would ever have known I had any pain as I was still able to do all the things I normally do, but with subtle compensations, some hesitation, and in some cases a lot more time. You’d never know to look at it that anything was wrong - no obvious swelling or bruising, just a subtle change in posture that made it look like I was vaguely flipping off the world as I went about my day.

Your vet may have been practicing veterinary medicine since God was a boy, and went to vet school four times just for fun, but there is no way they can completely rule out pain. And yet your horse could be hesitant, resistant, non-compliant, or a whole host of derogatory labels, when really there is some intractable pain somewhere in their body that no modern medicine or diagnostic device is able to detect. And, since pain happens in the brain and not in the tissues, there could be no physical evidence to go on. The official diagnosis becomes “it’s just behavioral,” which is an unfortunate catch-all that not only puts the responsibility on the horse, it doesn’t contain any information about how to help. Furthermore, the fact that there’s abnormal behavior at all is a clue that something is actually wrong - behavior ALWAYS has a cause, and fight/flight behavior is often caused by, you guessed it, pain.

Unfortunately, this leaves us in a really messy place. But we were already there. There are so rarely definitive answers or checklists or protocols that tell you exactly what to do. This is life, and it’s so much bigger and more complex than a YouTube video telling you how to get your horse to do . We have to be observant, and considerate, and we may have to sacrifice our goals for the short term, or possibly forever, for the sake of the horse’s comfort. They didn’t sign up for this, and it’s our responsibility to make sure it’s as easy for them as we can possibly make it. Otherwise, we’re just riding on our entitlement.

10/07/2024

I am still 100% anti-bit, AND I recognize that not all bridle problems are created by bits. However, 100% of problems are created by riders, and that's the take-home message for me, here.

Send a message to learn more

10/07/2024

"New Home Syndrome"🤓

I am coining this term to bring recognition, respect, and understanding to what happens to horses when they move homes. This situation involves removing them from an environment and set of routines they have become familiar with, and placing them somewhere completely different with new people and different ways of doing things.

Why call it a syndrome?

Well, really it is! A syndrome is a term used to describe a set of symptoms that consistently occur together and can be tied to certain factors such as infections, genetic predispositions, conditions, or environmental influences. It is also used when the exact cause of the symptoms is not fully understood or when it is not connected with a well-defined disease. In this case, "New Home Syndrome" is connected to a horse being placed in a new home where its entire world changes, leading to psychological and physiological impacts. While it might be transient, the ramifications can be significant for both the horse and anyone handling or riding it.

Let me explain...

Think about how good it feels to get home after a busy day. How comfortable your favourite clothes are, how well you sleep in your own bed compared to a strange bed, and how you can really relax at home. This is because home is safe and familiar. At home, the part of you that keeps an eye out for potential danger turns down to a low setting. It does this because home is your safe place (and if it is not, this blog will also explain why a lack of a safe place is detrimental).

Therefore, the first symptom of horses experiencing "New Home Syndrome" is being unsettled, prone to anxiety, or difficult behaviour. If you have owned them before you moved them, you struggle to recognise your horse, feeling as if your horse has been replaced by a frustrating version. If the horse is new to you, you might wonder if you were conned, if the horse was drugged when you rode it, or if you were lied to about the horse's true nature.

A horse with "New Home Syndrome" will be a stressed version of itself, on high alert, with a drastically reduced ability to cope. Horses don't handle change like humans do. If you appreciate the comfort of your own home and how you can relax there, you should be able to understand what the horse is experiencing.

Respecting that horses interpret and process their environments differently from us helps in understanding why your horse is being frustrating and recognising that there is a good chance you were not lied to or that the horse was not drugged.

Horses have survived through evolution by being highly aware of their environments. Change is a significant challenge for them because they notice the slightest differences, not just visually but also through sound, smell, feel, and other senses. Humans generalise and categorise, making it easy for us to navigate familiar environments like shopping centres. Horses do not generalise in the same way; everything new is different to them, and they need proof of safety before they can habituate and feel secure. When their entire world changes, it is deeply stressful.

They struggle to sleep until they feel safe, leading to sleep deprivation and increased difficulty.

But there is more...

Not only do you find comfort in your home environment and your nervous system downregulates, but you also find comfort in routines. Routines are habits, and habits are easy. When a routine changes or something has to be navigated differently, things get difficult. For example, my local supermarket is undergoing renovations. After four years of shopping there, it is extremely frustrating to have to work out where everything is now. Every day it gets moved due to the store being refitted section by section. This annoyance is shared by other shoppers and even the staff.

So, consider the horse. Not only are they confronted with the challenge of figuring out whether they are safe in all aspects of their new home while being sleep deprived, but every single routine and encounter is different. Then, their owner or new owner starts getting critical and concerned because the horse suddenly seems untrained or difficult. The horse they thought they owned or bought is not meeting their expectations, leading to conflict, resistance, explosiveness, hypersensitivity, and frustration.

The horse acts as if it knows little because it is stressed and because the routines and habits it has learned have disappeared. If you are a new human for the horse, you feel, move, and communicate differently from what it is used to. The way you hold the reins, your body movements in the saddle, the position of your leg – every single routine of communication between horse and person is now different. I explain to people that when you get a new horse, you have to imprint yourself and your way of communicating onto the horse. You have to introduce yourself and take the time to spell out your cues so that they get to know you.

Therefore, when you move a horse to a new home or get a new horse, your horse will go through a phase called "New Home Syndrome," and it will be significant for them. Appreciating this helps them get through it because they are incredible and can succeed. The more you understand and help the horse learn it is safe in its new environment and navigate the new routines and habits you introduce, the faster "New Home Syndrome" will pass.
"New Home Syndrome" will be prevalent in a horse’s life until they have learned to trust the safety of the environment (and all that entails) and the humans they meet and interact with. With strategic and understanding approaches, this may take weeks, and their nervous systems will start downgrading their high alert status. However, for some horses, it can take a couple of years to fully feel at ease in their new home.

So, next time you move your horse or acquire a new horse and it starts behaving erratically or being difficult, it is not being "stupid", you might not have been lied to or the horse "drugged" - your horse is just experiencing an episode of understandable "New Home Syndrome." And you can help this.❤

I would be grateful if you could please share, this reality for horses needs to be better appreciated ❤
‼️When I say SHARE that does not mean plagiarise my work…it is seriously not cool to copy and paste these words and make out you have written it yourself‼️

"But what if your horse is bolting toward the edge of a cliff?!" This is a common scenario used to defend the idea that ...
09/07/2024

"But what if your horse is bolting toward the edge of a cliff?!"

This is a common scenario used to defend the idea that horses must be trained with negative reinforcement (because a cookie isn't going to stop a bolting horse), as well as the idea that a bit is necessary for safety (because if your horse is bolting, you need a huge amount of pressure to stop them).

If your training regularly features things like bolting toward the edge of a cliff, you have other problems, my friend.

In an emergent situation, yes, you need to do what you need to do to keep everyone safe. A training situation should be crafted to create safe situations to begin with. Train the skills before you need them, in a way that promotes deep and joyful learning, and you may very well find that you can rely on reinforcement history and communication rather than force.

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