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Belgian Shepherds, training through reward & play - kind & modern This page has been set up, to advocate the use of reward & play training for Belgian Shepherds, with a kind & modern approach to training techniques.

What you won't find, is the use of equipment/techniques, which cause pain, stress, intimidation or fear

In Connecticut Checking in with my friends... I am not putting this on share yet...I am putting out feelers for a dog I ...
15/01/2024

In Connecticut

Checking in with my friends... I am not putting this on share yet...

I am putting out feelers for a dog I evaled today.. It is a horribly sad story but despite it all the dog is decent and quite nice...

Malinoi, pure bred, not sure if well bred or not. I don't think parents are health tested.. "breeder" does not wish for the dog back, I have the name. No paperwork that we are aware of, previous owner might have had it, lost it, sold it for drugs..

She is around a year old, and has had very little socialization, has been beaten. Exwife had to stop the husband from pounding her with closed fist at one occasion that she told me about. He also has rolled up a news paper and beat her with as well. This is only what she has seen. For a while this puppy lived in the car when he was homeless with the 12 year old daughter and an older dog. Ex wife has taken all of them in, ex husband ran to rehab and is not taking the dog back or placing the dog accordingly.

The dog has a bite history, only level 2, 4 bites under the belt, 3 to people one to a dog. First bite around 6 months old, a 7 year old was playing with the older dog, and mali puppy ran in and bit her face, no stitches or antibitoics. Since then there has been 2 bites to the face of humans, and one to the older dog (12 year old great dane mix), all three has been over night when she gets startled in her sleep. After crating her over night there has been no such issues, and one time she growled at ex wife and she woke up before the bite happened, soothed the dog and nothing happened. This seems to potentially be a trust issues, can't guarantee it though. Also the first bite was not seen, only the end results. It could been rowdy play or similar nothing like that has happened since.

When I arrived at the door, she was confident with flagging tail, and growling. I had the door open 2 inches. After a couple of treats she calmed down and I could step in, all was in less than a minute I would say, I have it on recording but its not downloaded to my computer yet. She was anxious and didn't trust me, but was ok with me in the house.

I sat down and threw ball with her, she does resource guard but also very trust based. Once she realized I traded balls and treats all around one another she started dropping them close to me if I didn't volunteer to take them. Not once did I feel threatened by her after initial door meeting. She responds to appropriate social behavior from humans, if I had tried to pet her and hug her, she would have bit, but she was happily working with me and warmed up decently.

she growled a couple of times, one was when I made squeaky noises to get a head tilt, I stopped threw her a treat and she was over it. Second time was when I patted the couch and asked if she wanted to jump up, again I stopped, reassured her, and she relaxed and came over for a treat.

She let me pet her after around 20 minutes, but only for short spurts, she would freeze up, but when I moved my hand away she would relax in her body language, sniff, go get a toy, move away or take a treat. She even gave me face kisses and sniffed me thoroughly once more relaxed.

After an hour together, she laid down to nap, so we cut it there. She has a great off switch, she is neutral to most cars except high pitch engines and dirt bikes, easy to redirect with food, has no manners pull on the leash, rips blankets but can be crated if exercised. Has biddability with me as a stranger but not as much as she had with her owner but she is not obsessive crazy at least not at the moment could be because she is partially shut down.
She is what I would call Malinois light on the energy/drive level, so higher than a regular dog, but not so much she will drive you crazy. She is neutral/avoidant of people on leash outside, the owner says that she doesn't lunge. I have not evaled that as she is not that comfortable with me yet.

No resuce wishes to take her because bite history, and you need to understand body language for this dog to avoid incidents. She is not a beginner dog, but not the hardest either. Owner is looking to euthanize which I support if the right home is not found.
I am supposed to take her own for two weeks of evaluation, see if she will do some more sports, look more at her drive, train her in public see if we can undo some of that anxiety the beatings have created. Two weeks is nothing but we would know more after that.
Don't know if there is any interest in a girl like this, she does like other dogs, plays rough, wife's older cat got out, he thinks he is a dog so he was relaxed and confident around her, and she did not go for him. Can't guarantee anything but.. She was raised indoors with kids (based on photos from the "breeders" facebook) and parents looks purebred.

Looking for a fair handler, she has been through enough, and she is smart enough to probably go handler sour if someone don't do right by her. She def likes to communicate and problem solve.
Not spayed, and probably not up to date on shots. I can bet money I will have to sedate her at the vets/muzzle. Don't think she will be good there, just my gut feeling.

She is CT transport can be arranged to the right home.

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28/12/2023

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Edit: for some silly reason people have started a rumour that she is pregnant. SHE IS NOT!! Ridiculous!

We are devastated to report that KHALI has escaped, as is our foster. We are doing everything we can to find her.
I'm turning comments off. We don't need negativity, we need shares and eyes out.
Chip is up to date and reported to the chip company as lost.

06/12/2023

South Wales, UK
Two Malinois elderly girls are looking for a new home, due to their owner passing away. One is 13, the other is 11. Please contact Belgian Shepherd Rescue UK if you think you could foster or adopt, to give them a lovely home for the rest of their days. I knew their mum and she would be devastated to know they were in this position

Please share x

THE PUP NEEDS QUARANTINE, DUE TO PARVO, SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A FOSTER WITH NO PETS Poor pup is going to end up in isol...
03/12/2023

THE PUP NEEDS QUARANTINE, DUE TO PARVO, SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A FOSTER WITH NO PETS

Poor pup is going to end up in isolation at kennels

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😭😭STILL NO FOSTER FOR MIKEY. WE ARE GUTTED. We have spent days searching and appealing and making phone calls to help this puppy. Mikey will now have to be collected from the vets tomorrow and go into complete isolation at the kennels we board at. This is not ideal for a sixteen week old puppy however he cannot stay at the vets any longer. The vets have been amazing to hold on to Mikey for so long. WE ARE FINDING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND ANY FOSTER HOMES FOR OUR DOGS. CAN YOU HELP?💔

💔PLEASE CAN ANYONE IN A PET FREE HOME OFFER MIKEY THE HELP HE DESERVES? Please email to [email protected] or call us as soon as possible. THANK YOU.

25/11/2023
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11/11/2023

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A lot of people wanted to know what brand of collar Chief was wearing when it exploded and he was burnt with battery acid.😭 I found this collar through a recommendation in a lab mom group. This was a brand new collar, and we only had it for maybe a month. We didn't use it for the shocking features, but we did for the vibration. If you know anyone who uses training collars for their pets, please tell them about Chief. After googling, I did find other stories of this happening. He is in loads of pain and has a long road to recovery. I'm so sad for my poor baby boy!💔🐾

10/10/2023

Agility Selection for the FMBB World Championship 2024, Italy

Following the Agility Selection Day held on 23rd September 2023 judged by Rogue Agility’s Jenny Kimber at Woof & Go in Buckinghamshire, the BSDA of GB and WBSDS are pleased to announce the handlers and dogs who qualified to represent Great Britain in agility at the FMBB World Championship to be held at Bovolone in Italy from 23rd to 28th April:

Team & Individuals:
Edit Ratkai & Monkey (Malinois)
Tina Simpson & Phoenix (Tervueren)
Helen Postle & Vesper (Malinois)
Mags Hayden-Smith & Rumour (Malinois)

Individuals:
Sharyn Hall & Shumi (Groenendael)
Grace Blackmore & Amie (Malinois)
Neil Bennison & Lillie (Tervueren)

Congratulations everyone and Good Luck 🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀

28/07/2023

Selection of IGP GB Team for the FMBB World Championships 2024

The BSDA of GB IGP Trial and Selection for the FMBB WC 2024 will take place on the 11th and 12th November 2023 at Phoenix IGP Club, Watling Street, Muckley Corner, Lichfield WS14 OBD.

The judge is Frank Bukowski
The helpers are Jamie Bows and Jordan Carney.
The tracklayers are to be confirmed.

Further information will be posted here in due course.

28/04/2023

This is FANTASTIC NEWS!

We've been pushing for this for years!

The Government has laid legislation which will completely ban the use of remote controlled electric shock collars in England, as of 1 February 2024,

04/03/2023

NEW 'PAY WHAT YOU CAN' PUPPY CLASS/CLUB, SATURDAYS, 3.30PM, Next to St.Mildreds church, Beatrice avenue, WHIPPINGHAM, ISLE OF WIGHT. Park in the tea room car park. We use the green behind it.

With the rise in the cost of living for everyone, we appreciate that the price of dog food, treats, equipment etc is skyrocketing too. The cost will impact all dog guardians, no matter what your income is. However pups benefit greatly from training and socialising and we don't want them to miss out. So we've set up a brand new Puppy Club, which is open to everyone with a new puppy to join.

Once you've signed up to The Puppy Club, you'll be able to bring your puppy to classes on a 'Pay what you can ' basis.

FAQ's

👉 What you and your puppy will learn
👍 Positions - sit, down, stand
👍 WalkingWell - walking by your side, with a loose lead
👍 Recall - including name recognition
👍 Health & Wellbeing - to keep your pup healthy
👍 Play training - especially with distractions
👍 Good socialising skills
👍 Increased confidence with canine enrichment equip.
👍 Plus lots more!

Our training methods do NOT use force, fear, pain, stress or intimidation techniques.
We do NOT use aversive equipments such as choke chains, slip leads, prong or ecollars.

👉 Who is The Puppy Club aimed at
👍 The Puppy Club is suitable from when your Vet say's it's ok for your pup to be on grass and mingling with other pups.
👍 Non-reactive pups
👍 maximum age is 6months.

👉 Extras to enhance your life with your puppy are:
👍 Entry to the New dedicated Puppy Club WhatsApp group
👍 First dibs on any Puppy events we run
👍 An invitation to our online Puppy Club live chats
👍 Socialising with other Puppy Club guardians
👍 Regular Training Tips sent via email

👉 How much does it cost?
👍 To join The Puppy Club costs £25 for 6 months. Plus
👍 To attend The Puppy Club classes, you'll 'PAY WHAT YOU CAN '
What does that mean?
It means you pay what you can afford when you come to class and some other events ie £1 £2 or £10 etc

For more information and to join The Puppy Club - email [email protected]

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05/12/2022

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Just some

American Society for Veterinary Behavior’s position statement on punishment in training:https://avsab.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/AVSAB-Humane-Dog-Training-Position-Statement-2021.pdf

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2020.00508/full

https://www.uu.nl/en/news/the-negative-effects-of-the-electronic-collar-on-the-welfare-of-dogs-and-positive-training-methods

https://www.petprofessionalguild.com/shockcollars

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2020.00508/full

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animal-emotions/202201/the-use-shock-collars-dogs

https://www.companionanimalpsychology.com/2020/01/why-you-should-never-train-dog-to-come.html?m=1

https://avsab.org/positive-reinforcement-is-more-effective-at-training-dogs-than-an-electronic-collar-study-shows/

List of scientific articles about the implications of using punishment in training

1. Study by DEFRA (UK Department of the Environment and Rural Affairs) into the use of shock collars and punishment based training
https://banshockcollars.ca/pdf/Defra_Study.pdf

2. The Welfare Consequences and Efficacy of Training Pet Dogs with Remote Electronic Training Collars in Comparison to Reward Based Training
Jonathan J. Cooper , Nina Cracknell, Jessica Hardiman, Hannah Wright, Daniel Mills https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102722

3. Electronic training devices: Discussion on the pros and cons of their use in dogs as a basis for the position statement of the European Society of Veterinary Clinical Ethology
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1558787818300108

4. University of Lincoln
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102722

5. Dr. Karen Overall
https://banshockcollars.ca/pdf/Karen_Overall_Journal_of_Veterinary_Behavior.pdf

6. If You're Aggressive, Your Dog Will Be Too, Says Veterinary Study
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090217141540.htm

7. Applied Animal Behaviour Science
Volume 132, Issues 3–4, July 2011, Pages 169-177
Training methods and owner–dog interactions: Links with dog behaviour and learning ability
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168159111000876

8. Journal of Veterinary Behavior Volume 9, Issue 2, March–April 2014, Pages 58-65
Effects of 2 training methods on stress-related behaviors of the dog (Canis familiaris) and on the dog–owner relationship
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1558787814000070

9. Journal of Veterinary Behavior Volume 19, May–June 2017, Pages 50-60
The effects of using aversive training methods in dogs—A review
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1558787817300357

10. Implications of using punishment in training
https://www.dogwelfarecampaign.org/implications-of-punishment.php?fbclid=IwAR1QJg1SRrSA-reWvsRGTIIKXGvB1HiCqsOD522UTg-f6hAYCoSznRl_f3c

11. Companion Animal Psychology
https://www.companionanimalpsychology.com/2017/04/new-literature-review-recommends-reward.html?fbclid=IwAR2BrtRa6rPa3xeGrm2sqdAwpZT2c5IsYhBDbSMMP2gPQio69uWvRptDBU4

12. Companion Animal Psychology, Zazie Todd https://www.companionanimalpsychology.com/2018/06/study-outlines-reasons-to-ban.html?m=1&fbclid=IwAR0YRt5-_MkeGs3L3tcK1VYWjxgtV5qkkFIcMA2F7Wzh-0xI6tXzLv3Id
(contains links to other studies)

13. Companion Animal Psychology
https://www.companionanimalpsychology.com/2020/07/positive-reinforcement-is-more.html?fbclid=IwAR2GP7hovvmrIGI6qtDxknqTs2AnSMVgT4Kda8Wi7wcLqdLaqifaqMwHEXA
(contains links to other studies)

14. Frontiers in Veterinary science
Efficacy of Dog Training With and Without Remote Electronic Collars vs. a Focus on Positive Reinforcement ORIGINAL RESEARCH article Front. Vet. Sci., 22 July 2020 | https://doi.org/10.3389/fvets.2020.00508
15. THIS IS A PDF AND SO IT DIDN'T COME OUT IN THIS POST 🙁
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16. Helen McKinnon on May 19, 2013 at 12:57 pm said:
Dr. Dodds Says:
“… the thyroid and salivary glands are superficially located just under the skin in the upper part of the neck. The thyroid gland is a butterfly-shaped organ just in front of the larynx and trachea, and the mandibular salivary glands are found on the side of the face just below the ears. Thus, they can be easily injured by trauma and sudden pressure forces (as could occur from the slip ring and chain of metal collar, and a metal prong or hard braided leather collar). A harness or “gentle leader” type collar is preferred these days, especially for strong dogs that like to pull and lunge out when on a standard collar and leash.
W. Jean Dodds, DVM
Hemopet / NutriScan /cont…
11561 Salinaz Avenue Garden Grove, CA 92843
http://drjeandoddspethealthresource.tumblr.com/post/41645121585/dog-collars-thyroid
http://www.hemopet.org/index.php?option=com_newsfeeds&view=newsfeed&id=1&Itemid=62

17. https://fearfreepets.com/electronic-collars-versus-positive-reinforcement/?fbclid=IwAR1BLFSmJ02q7coF-iLEOefXK1mMUCBHU52ob0CeDeNvGf5CCq-3nNqqtlI

18. Dog Training Requires Respecting the Deep Emotional Lives of Dogs
Exploring the affective dog behavior approach. Dr, Mark Beckoff
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animal-emotions/202202/dog-training-requires-respecting-the-deep-emotional-lives-dogs?fbclid=IwAR3DvJCLup60WiDyzuV2m4MJBBJo2eQK508Kt1nR4CkI0b6kVWEg6RdG2GQ

26/10/2022

PetSafe-brand shock collars are falsely marketed as “safe” and “harmless” tools for preventing unwanted behavior in dogs when they cause physical and psychological harm, a California dog owner says in a proposed class action against manufacturer Radio Systems Corp.

10/10/2022

🐾🐾Rescue place secured🐾🐾

Does anyone recognise this lovely lady who was found in the Rochester area on 10/10/2022.
Please contact us if you have any information 01634333333 reference 22/06320/STDO thanks 🐾🐾

02/08/2022

Selection of IGP GB Team 2023 FMBB World Championships

The BSDA of GB IGP Trial and Selection for the FMBB WC 2023 will take place on the 15th and 16th October 2022 at the Castle Dog Sports Club, Cheshire. The helpers are Simon Holcroft-Lopez and Mark Rigby.

The Judge and Tracklayers are to be confirmed and further information will be posted here in due course.

Great idea!
31/07/2022

Great idea!

Fantastic teaching and learning program for gators, with a no harm done approach.
30/07/2022

Fantastic teaching and learning program for gators, with a no harm done approach.

Training two gators to station, meaning I asked them to stay in position until cued to do otherwise.

I stood in front of them and called them to this log. I moved several steps to the side. Took this photo and then moved back in front of them to deliver the reinforcer for the awesome work they did.

Knowing and doing better through training and earning trust and respect with crocodilians.

17/05/2022

Update. She's safe x

30/04/2022
We often receive items of dog training equipment, which our students don't want or need anymore, such as puppy harnesses...
27/04/2022

We often receive items of dog training equipment, which our students don't want or need anymore, such as puppy harnesses, collars, coats etc, which pup has grown out of. We offer a swap shop, to our students, to avoid buying more items, which may only last pup a few more months of growing. This helps the environment too, as nothing usable gets thrown away

We also offer a non-judgemental equipment dump, for aversive equipment, such as shock and anti-bark collars, prong collars and choke/check chains.

We don't want these items finding their way back into use, so we repurpose as many as possible.

Below are photos of check chains, now being used to hold up a hanging basket.

26/04/2022

I've removed the previous post, shared from another trainer, who was expressing their feelings about a client's dog, who had unfortunately bitten the owner. The postee wasn't the clients first or even second trainer and they'd been advised by previous trainers to use an electric shock collar, to alter/stop behaviours. The trainer/postee was making headway with the clients, transitioning from using the equipment, to using reward based methods and they were making progress. Unfortunately the bite occurred. The trainer and owners are devastated that the dog has bitten and in a later post, the trainer, clarified that there was no way of knowing, if previous use of the electric shock collar was the cause of the bite. The dog was due to be destroyed today.

What saddens me, beyond what has occurred, is the way my post share was commented on. Instead of showing empathy to all involved, comments were made, about how her post was going to be used as fuel by the pro eshock trainers, to show how 'positive' training was ineffective.

The trainer, who didn't need to post anything, is already getting comments and private messages from other people, saying she is ineffective as a trainer. I don't think she needs to be called out by reward based trainers too. She has already made a massive change in her own methods, by switching from balanced to reward, let's not dismiss her because of how she words her feelings in a post.

We should be promoting other reward based trainers and helping those who are transitioning to pain free methods.

The rise in Malinois being given up, is occurring in all countries. This heartfelt post, could be from anywhere and the ...
24/04/2022

The rise in Malinois being given up, is occurring in all countries. This heartfelt post, could be from anywhere and the sentiments are still relevant

🆘‼️ LE MALINOIS, TRISTE RECORD DES ABANDONS ‼️🆘

Ces chiens, victimes, d'une race devenue "à la mode", ces dernières années.
Nous en faisons le triste constat chaque semaine... 😔 Nous espérions que "la mode" passerait, que les gens ouvriraient ENFIN leur yeux sur les besoins et la sensibilité de cette race, qu'ils opteraient plutôt pour un chien plus adapté, malheureusement, nous attendons toujours le déclic... 😞

Et à ce jour encore, nous enregistrons en moyenne 5 demandes d'abandon par semaine, qui revient à environ une 20aine de demandes de prise en charge, par mois, uniquement de malinois ou type malinois, dont la majorité dépassent pas les 3 ans. 😤😩😠
Et les raisons, un chien trop énergique, incontrôlable, qu'on arrive plus à gérer ; une prise de conscience d'un manque de temps, d'un logement pas adapté, d'une santé trop fagile ; un chien qui prend tout en gu**le et pince les enfants ; un chien anxieux, reactif, qui détruit, mord, qui est trop protecteur, trop fusionnel et bien d'autres...

Malheureusement, nous ne pouvons pas tous les accueillir, nous faisons notre maximum pour eux, mais l'environnement du refuge, la détention en box et le manque d'enrichissement leur est très pénible et certains développent des stéréotypies, des tocs, perdent le contrôle de leurs émotions, deviennent fous, coincés entre 4 murs. 🤯😵💣💥

Aujourd'hui, le refuge recensse 15 malinois à l'adoption et nous recevons encore de multiples demandes de prises en charge, ainsi que des entrées de fourrière.

‼️Alors réagissons, sensibilisez votre entourage, ne prenez pas un malinois, car c'est beau, c'est élégant, c'est intelligent, parce que vous voulez un chien de garde.‼️

Le malinois est un chien exceptionnel 🥰, un chien de rigueur, un chien de travail 🐕‍🦺, un chien qui peut tout vous donner, qui peut être le meilleur compagnon de vie que vous n’auriez jamais espéré 😇.
Mais entre de mauvaises mains, en revanche, il peut devenir votre pire cauchemar 😬🥵🤕.

🤚Posez vous les bonnes questions avant d'adopter.
👉 Demandez vous si votre cadre de vie le permet, si vous aurez assez de temps, d’argent, d’énergie pour satisfaire ses besoins. 👉 Demandez vous, si vous aurez toujours cette énergie quelque soit la situation, même si vous êtes fatigués, même si vous rencontrez des soucis personnels, si vous avez un soucis de santé, si vous avez des enfants, dans 1 an mais aussi dans quelques années.
👉 Demandez vous, si vous serez prêt à faire tous les compromis que son entretien demandera et ce tous les jours, pendant plus de 10 ans.

Telle une formule 1, il n’y a pas de demi mesure possible avec un chien qui a un tel moteur. Il n’y a pas de compromis, pas de « ça attendra demain ». C’est une vie entière qu’un malinois peut bousculer.

🙏 Allez discuter avec des connaisseurs, des vrais pas ceux qui s’improvisent parce qu’ils en ont eu un dans leur vie. Parlez avec des professionnels, parlez avec des passionnés de la race. Aller à la rencontre de détenteurs. Ceux qui ont galérés, qui ont du chambouler leur vie, qui ont tout remis en question pour leur chien.👊

Si, après toutes ces réflexions, vous êtes prêt à franchir le pas, à tout mettre en œuvre pour faire un heureux et que votre situation le permet, alors, venez les rencontrer. 🐶🐶🐶
Narcos, Scotty, Jade, Orion, Loly, Varken, Zeus, Bruce, Ades, Rocky, Bouboule et les autres, vous attendent.

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