J & P Rabbitry & Backyard Farm

21/01/2024

"J" has been out of the hospital since Monday. We've had 3 doctor visits and an unexpected trip to the ER. He apparently has hematomas on his forehead behind the lacerations so he has to have compression bandages for now. He needs to see ortho for the injury to his leg and the hematoma in his thigh. He needs neurosurgery to follow up on the TBI and assess the intracranial bleeding from the MVA.
And some unknown speciality for his spleen. Primary is planning a brain MRI because of swelling and injury.

On top of this, my ladies have decided that they are going to make up for all the time they reduced production over the past several months....some days I'm getting nearly 2 dzn eggs.

11/01/2024

Well, we've had another setback. On Monday January 8th we laid my father to rest. Three of my children including the "J" of J & P were able to attend his funeral. A few hours later they headed home, a 6 hour trip. Two hours from home they were in a car accident when another driver was driving south in the fast lane on the north bound highway. "J" is currently in the hospital still. The worst of his injuries was a laceration to his spleen. He was able to come out of ICU last night. We don't know what the future holds but its a miracle he's got no cardiac issues being that he's only about 8 weeks out from his 3rd open heart surgery.....the greater miracle is that he's alive with no broken bones. This is the vehicle he was in, sitting in the back seat, behind the driver

28/12/2023

UPDATE : My father passed away on January 2, 2024 at 3:45 pm.
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This year has been a mess. Everything I had planned at the beginning was pushed aside or laid aside by life which has a way of getting in the way of your plans.

At this time "J" of J & P is 2 months post -op on his 3rd open heart surgery at the ripe old age of 24. All went well, he has a mechanical valve so getting his medication at the right level is our priority now.

I'm everywhere but at home with my animals. The past half year I've spent mostly with my 88 year old father in another state. Finding out he had dementia was devastating. Upending my life wasn't. You do what you have to do to be able to live with yourself. I never really had a relationship with my father but I was given this opportunity to sow into his life what I didn't feel I received.

I've now spent half of the past 30 days in and out of the hospital with him and his health has drastically diminished in that time. I brought him home on Christmas Eve with the help of hospice and am doing what I can to make him comfortable.

This is not the year I had planned but I'm reminded of this quote..."the best laid plans of mice and men often go astray..."

I don't know what the last few days of this year hold nor what is coming in the new year but I can pray that the seeds planted this year will bring a bountiful harvest in the next.

I pray your Christmas was merry and your new year will be happy.

Love,
P

18/10/2023

J of J & P goes in for his 3rd open heart surgery in the morning. Prayers for anointing on the doctors much appreciated.

05/07/2023

HAPPY 4TH OF JULY from J & P Rabbitry & Backyard Farm !

03/07/2023

Oh yes!!!!!!!
New rabbit recipe:

1 whole rabbit (3lb), deboned, diced
1 14.5oz bottle La Choy Teriyaki sauce
14.5 oz orange juice
5 oz Kikkoman Teriyaki marinade
1 cup jasmine rice

Mix together in pot, cook on high till rabbit and rice are done.

I used my Ninja Foodie. Sear/saute on high till rice almost done then turn down on low till meat is tenderness you desire. If it becomes too thick, don't hesitate to add small amounts of orange juice.

13/06/2023

《Picture Diary - post 15 》

The end of October through December 2021 was no fun. 😷🤕

We were getting used to a good routine for our ever increasing backyard farm in October when suddenly my youngest, the son who started this rabbitry venture had a cluster of seizures. 3 seizures to be exact in 12-15 minutes.

With no insurance he was sluffed off by the ER who didn't even tend to the gash on his head. We'd already gone through two neurologist prior to this cluster who were either more concerned with what someone else said than they were in listening to us or trying to pressure my son into Covid19 vaccinations with threats of "I won't see you anymore" if you don't get it. ...this in spite of his already severe heart issues which would be more life threatening if he took the so-called vaccination. (Thankfully, his new neurologist was a listener and had already gotten him on a good medication that has since then kept his seizures under control.)

In November as we were getting used to heightened concerns over whether my son would have anymore seizures. Next thing I knew I was dealing with dizziness that was so bad I couldn't drive. I was diagnosed with a severe ear infection and vertigo. (Vertigo went on for ~6 months - yuk!🤮)

Then within the first week of December, my son, husband and I were all diagnosed with Covid19. My son had it mild, my husband had pneumonia and I ended up admitted to the hospital the next day with hypoxic respiratory failure secondary to Covid. I was hospitalized for 5 days. The first 4 days they couldn't drop me from 5 liters of oxygen because I couldn't get/keep my oxygen above 90 % without it. Heck, when I slept, even with the 5L of oxygen, I was always under 90%. I went home on 2L of oxygen 24/7 for the first 3 months then I had to prove to the pulmonologist that I still needed it. Which I did. So now, the lingering effects of Covid19 have left me on oxygen at night or whenever I sleep at all.

2021 ended but our problems didn't. To say we had an interesting time figuring out how to take care of the animals during this would be an understatement. But there was a bright side.

My niece gave me one of her roosters, an Easter Egger, in November. He was beautiful! (still is!) I didn't know until a year later that she was getting rid of him because he was a "s*x fiend" as she called him. 😂 I think having his own ladies settled him cause we've never had a problem with him. I tell everyone he's got "Fabio hair." .... and since I'm older, he was named after the first rooster I knew that had a name....yes..... Foghorn Leghorn! 😂 (I couldn't help it! and I can't change it now, I'm too used to the name.)

ALSO !!! Babies !!!《Picture Diary - post 7 》shows several pictures of kits from Grunty and Garnett. Well, Christmas Day 2021 we were surprised with a litter of kits from the 2 offspring (Janet and Big Chungus) we kept from the original litter. Janet and Big Chungus had managed to breed in spite of being in separate cages. Go figure! How he did it through chicken wire beats me but dang man! More power to ya! 😂😂😂 Babies definitely brought a smile to our faces on Christmas day.

11/06/2023

Picture Diary - post 14

Guinea fowl accepting chickens as part of the flock within a week after adding chickens to our backyard farm. The guineas had a different spot where they would dust bathe but changed that spot and would dust bathe and lay right beside where the chickens were on the other side of the fence.

They were seperated so they could get used to each other without being able to attack or bully each other. Once acclimated to each other, the 2 flocks were put together without incident.

09/06/2023

《Picture Diary - post 13 》

October 2021 brought sadness and joy on the backyard farm.

Out of the 20 guinea eggs laid only 3 hatched. She sat on a load of unfertilized eggs. 🤨 We took the eggs away from her after she had gone a week past the possible latest chance of hatching....ie....28 days plus 7. (We double bagged them and broke them all to check.) Of the 3 that hatched, they did so over a 2 day period. The first 2 died from the cold before we knew they'd hatched. The 3rd one lived about 2-3 days and also died from the cold. Momma wasn't a good momma at all.😞

However, right about the time that we were losing the Guinea keets (baby guinea fowl), one of my older sons bought me 2 RIR (Rhode Island Red) hens that I wanted. A week later, my daughter, his twin sister, gave me one of her hens. (I got good kids!)🥰 With my Dh (dear hubby) chickens had not been on the table at all although I'd been wanting them for close to 2 decades. So when he agreed to the rabbit venture for our youngest son, he kinda lost control. 😂 I used it to get the Guineas without consulting him (lol) and again when my son bought the chickens for me. (Sometimes you just gotta use loopholes!)😁

On top of all that, my gardening was bringing me some joy. Some of my Marigolds started looking much better and growing better for me. I know they weren't growing as well as they should be but I'd never grown my own flowers so I was happy that I was getting anything really.

07/06/2023

《Picture Diary - post 12 》

September of 2021 brought us Guinea eggs and kits (baby rabbits).

We were surprised with guinea eggs. Surprised because one of the Guineas started laying in the same year they were born. That is NOT normal but around here anything that's NOT normal IS normal. 😂 Once she had about 16 eggs in the nest, she started brooding over it. She continued to lay eggs in the nest for about 4 more days before she stopped. So she began to brood over 20 eggs....also NOT normal.

We had tried to make a small protected "3 sided coop" of sorts to keep them out of the weather but they would go into it for 5 minutes at a time at most. They'd rather sit outside of it in the whether so we temporarily gave up. Once the broody Guinea started sitting on the nest they began sitting around her on the ground. Had me convinced that we had 1 hen and 4 males. 😟 Not a good mix.😒 But thankfully we realized it might be the other way around. 😂 Woohoo for the male!
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As to rabbits - We had let my daughter breed her buck (Loki) with one of our does.(Ghost) (both Lionheads) Loki didn't produce very well. There was a total of only 4 kits. My daughter took her choice and we got the other 3 which we ended up naming Buttercup, Blossom & Bubbles. (If you know the cartoon let me know!)

We had also bred our New Zealand Red buck (Fred) with 2 of our does, an English Spot (Trixie) and a New Zealand/Red mix.(Garnett) It didn't take us long to realize that Fred was not going to produce well. He produced 1 kit with Trixie and 3 with Garnett. He eventually was culled because he didn't produce well. It's a decision you have to make in a rabbitry. You have to think about the cost effectiveness of keeping or culling. If he's not producing well then he's a drain on resources with little payout. But he didn't go to waste because he went to "freezer camp." 😁

To some that may seem callused but it's not. We love our animals and love on them. I've come across many people that have rabbits and want to produce for meat or meat and pets like we wanted to do but can't bring themselves to cull a "precious bunny." They've become too attached. In essence, the animal has become a pet. I refuse to do that. They are here because they are a food source. I name them so its easier to note who we're talking about if we're talking about an individual rabbit. We take care of them well and give them a good life, good food, variety, etc....and then one day they are needed and I don't hesitate because I've made the distinction between food and pet. If you can't make that distinction, you'll find having rabbits or any other animal meant for consumption to be $$ drain without benefit. 😔

My advice?
Don't make your meat animals pets.
Don't let your children have meat animals as pets.
Teach your children where their meat comes from.
Teach your children/family members of all ages the truth about the meat industry.

Open your eyes then open theirs.

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On a nice note, Fred, although not producing well, did produce 1 kit from each doe that we kept. He passed on his gentle nature to these two kits and we still have them today. They both (one buck and one doe) want/desire interaction with us which is wonderful. 🥰

05/06/2023

《Picture Diary - post 11 》

Picture Diary - post 4 has links for the first 3 gardening type posts that I added to the page. They show how things were looking by the end of the year. (Nov 2021) Here I show you the beginning which was around August 2021.

I was wide eyed and hopeful. I was so happy and satisfied when the little plants started coming up.😁 Tickled pink when they were big enough and strong enough to be transplanted.🥰 Then so frustrated when everything worked against a garden.😣

I had to be satisfied with some flowers and lettuce😒 because nothing else wanted to really grow for me and those didn't grow as well as they should.

Oh well, such is life. You must be ready for disappointment while not letting that keep you from finding joy in the process and the learning. Needless to say, I had to find a lot of joy in the process and the learning....lol.😆

03/06/2023

《Picture Diary - post 10》
In early August 2021, the guinea fowl had been in the enclosure for close to 3 weeks. They were scrawny when we got them but plumped right up in their new environment.

They had complete run of the enclosure which measured ~16'x30'. Rabbit hutches were up above where they couldn't get to them and this setup worked very well. the hay that would drop through or be thrown down when we cleaned pens was the perfect environment for the bugs they love.

They had no fear of harm because the hawks overhead couldn't get to them due to the wildlife netting over the enclosure. Which is important because until we got rabbits and then guinea fowl, we only had 1 hawk that ever came around. But now we have nearly half a dozen flying overhead or perching on a tree limb close to the enclosure checking out the setup and looking for a way in. 😆 Thankfully, the fencing that someone threw away and we "recycled" (lol) and the wildlife netting kept them at bay. No animals lost to predators. 🥰

01/06/2023

《Picture Diary - post 9 》

Picture Diary - post 8 had us in July of 2021 so I'll start there.

About a week after we got our guinea fowl, we were introduced to the culling process. If you're going to raise rabbits for consumption then you'll have to learn so we dived right in. We found out that I wasn't strong enough to do the choke chain method and I wasn't grossed out by the processing. My son and partner was okay with both.

That day was an eye opener and needed because we had 2 rabbit litters only a month before and if we couldn't sell them then they were eventually going to have to go to "freezer camp." If we were going to make ourselves more self sufficient then this was a necessary lesson because we had probably more than doubled our mouths to feed. 😉

14/11/2022

Just had to share this recipe although this has nothing to do with rabbits, chickens, guineas or backyard farming.

Cooking from scratch IS about self sufficiency for me though which is a HUGE reason for having the rabbits, chickens, guineas and backyard farming. 😁😁😁

Made these tonight and of course I ate some of the raw dough😍...boy how it took me back to my childhood 🥰

BUTTER BISCUITS - Don't Miss Out 😋
🥟 Ingredients
2 cups all-purpose flour , packed (if using self-rising flour, omit baking powder and salt)
1 Tbsp baking powder (leave out if using self-rising flour)
½ tsp salt (leave out if using self-rising flour)
½ cup butter, salted, cut in small pieces (if using unsalted, add ¼ tsp more salt than above)
1 cup milk (regular or buttermilk)

🥟 Instructions
Preheat oven to 400 F.
In a large mixing bowl, combine flour, baking powder, and salt. Add butter in smallish pieces.
With your hands (or a pastry blender), combine flour mixture and butter until butter is pea sized and mixture is crumbly.
Pour in milk and combine with a wooden spoon until well incorporated, taking care not to over mix.
Turn out onto a floured surface and roll out dough to about ¾ inch thick.
Cut out biscuits with biscuit cutter or cookie cutter. Add each to ungreased cookie sheet or iron skillet. Make sure that biscuits touch for higher rise during baking.
Bake for 10 minutes or until browned.

13/11/2022

My great potatoe harvest...lol
First run was a dud. 2nd run net this amazing harvest...

10/11/2022

《Picture Diary - post 8 》

By early July 2021, I had been dealing with a torn labrum in my shoulder since March. We'd added rabbits and those rabbits had kits. Then my son was a front seat passenger in a car accident. Sooooo, we traded out "chores" with the animals🐰 to whomever wasn't hurting as much....lol...'you do whatcha gotta do!'

But the month couldn't end yet without us adding something new. 😄 5 GUINEA FOWL !!!

Guinea fowl are native to Africa but have been "domesticated" all over the world as farm poultry. They eat w**d seeds, insects and worms among other things. The one thing I especially wanted them for was to reduce the tick population as 2021 was a bad year for ticks. And boy did they do that !!! 💗

If you're interested in having Guinea fowl, I would strongly suggest you research it well. Talk to those who have them or have had them and listen to their experience. There are pros and cons to Guinea fowl but if you're willing to deal with the "cons" then go for it. But understand this, Guinea don't recognize property lines and if you don't train them to their "home" and to you as their "keeper," you may release them and never see them again.
I'll explain in a later post what we have done to train and protect our Guineas.

08/11/2022

《Picture Diary - post 7 》


This is a BABY post cause we ALL LOVE BABIES! ENJOY!

The first pics are of Garnett's kits (name for baby rabbits). The buck, Grunty, was a Flemish Giant but after having the opportunity to raise a few generations and do some research, we believe he was definitely a mixed breed as his offspring had babies that threw genetic traits from a myriad of breeds such as Lionhead and Rex. (We kept a buck we named Big Chungus and a doe we named Janet from this litter.)

The other pictures are of Trixie's kits. Trixie was an English Spot doe and the buck was a Lop so the kits were English Spot/Lop mix. We ended up keeping a doe we named Spirit and a buck we named Butterscotch from this litter. Butterscotch was tri-color and gorgeous. Spirit looked like a pure white prima-donna that went a little over on the mascara …lol

06/11/2022

《Picture Diary - post 6 》



Within days of Trixie kindling, we bred 3 of our does so we'd have more kits the next month. We were enjoying watching the little "pinkies" get their fur and just steal our hearts.💗 We didn't realize we'd have more babies sooner than expected.

You see, we knew that one of our bucks (Grunty) had gotten through a tiny spot between his enclosure and the doe (Garnett) beside him prior to Trixie kindling but it couldn't have been long enough, right?🐰 Lol...yeah right. So we had 6 more kits born 8 days after Trixie's. 😂 "c'est la vie"

Well, right before the lucky lady Garnett kindled, she showed us that she was beginning to trust us. The video shows her nudging my hand just 2 days before the kits were born. (6/20/21)

*I had to take time daily to deal with every rabbit including her. It was necessary to "bond" with them in some way, shape or form. They are not and have not been our pets but if you're going to deal with them on a regular basis then it's a good idea for them not to be frightened or terrified each time you reach in to clean the enclosure, give them more food, or replace their hay. You have to know when a nudge means pet me and when it means leave me alone.*

04/11/2022

《Picture Diary - post 5 》
Our first kits ! Trixie kindled just days after we bought her. Rabbit Initiation !


We had no idea what we were in for 😅
Prego mom then 6 kits then what now? 🤨
We learned really fast...we had to, we were new to all this.
I look back now and think, why were we so nervous?
Yes, bunnies have been doing this without our help for years. And I know that when we're raising them it does change things... ..... but I've come to conclude what we need to do is provide for them as best we can and let them do the rest. We are raising them for a purpose and we should not lose sight of that.

We alluded to Trixie in Photo Diary - Post 3

02/11/2022

New recipe I found for Instant Pot Greek Chicken and Rice. I'm cooking it tonight with a major revision...I'm NOT using Chicken. It's being replaced with RABBIT! Yum!

So my variation is Instant Pot Greek Rabbit and Rice ....this post will be edited when its done...

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Edit : What Molly Made credited for original recipe

Not a hit with my 22 yos, I could go either way, waiting for dh to get home and eat.....either way I loved the taste of the rabbit 💖

Edit:
Dh tried it and likes it!!!!

30/10/2022

I have neglected my Basil and the cold is beginning to affect it so I harvested alot and immediately strung it up today. Have no idea if it will work like I want it to but it's now hung to air dry on its own in the kitchen. Smells wonderful 😌

If you have experience, what have you done to prolong the use of your spices beyond their growing season?

25/10/2022

9+ dozen eggs available
(For consumption)
Free Range
Hand Gathered
Farm Fresh
Dry Cleaned not washed
Bloom On
Brown eggs

Let me know if you want
$3.50 a dozen

When I accumulate too many excess eggs, I sell them to Bill's Produce Market and they sell them for $6 a dozen

23/10/2022

《Picture diary - post 4》

So, by the time we were three months into the start of our rabbitry, this raising and growing our own food thing had pushed me over the edge. (😂) … I’d been wanting a garden for a few decades but there was always some reason given for why we couldn’t do it. 😖 Well, I decided, if my son can raise rabbits then I CAN START A GARDEN!😜

Well, I’m not sure what I started could be called that, lol, it was more like a “wanna be, please can I be,…I think I can, I think I can….no I can’t….nO I CaN’t….NO I CAN’T…be a garden.” 🤭🤭🤣🤣🤣

With no real money to throw at a garden I started by getting my SIL and hubby to make me a raised 9’ long trough with drainage on my back porch, use some scraps to make an area to grow fodder and bought a small rectangular planter that straddled the porch railing.

I grew the plants inside from seeds then transplanted them using a cheap potting soil. I planted Rainbow okra, Bloomsdale long standing spinach, Decicco broccoli, Beefsteak tomatoes and Rainbow Microgreens and 3 or so different kinds of Marigolds. And then nature tried it’s darnedest to drown them a month or so later. The fodder was (I believe) Rye grass seeds I soaked in water for 24-48 hours before laying out in the little pans with drainage holes poked all through them.

Rain was my nemesis.
Water of course is necessary but flooding of each and every planter is a killer. And before I could feed the rabbits all the fodder, the rains laid the grass over on itself creating a mat till it began to smell like swamp gas......YUK! 🤮



Oh well, I talk about the plants in these three earlier posts.

Post 1
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=122131560422818&id=106650985304209

Post 2
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=122257377076903&id=106650985304209

Post 3
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=122566410379333&id=106650985304209

21/10/2022

《Picture diary - post 3》

During the first week or so in June 2021, my son and SIL went in together on about half a dozen rabbits someone was getting rid of for just the right amount of money…lol. My son took a REW New Zealand we named Honey and an English Spot we named Trixie. Two of the female rabbits out of the six were thought to be pregnant when they were sold to us. As it turned out, Trixie was pregnant when we got her and four days later we had our first kits. The buck she was bred to was also part of the six, he turned out to be a Lop of some kind and went to my daughter and SIL. Trixie had six kits. Four eventually went to freezer camp and we kept two, a buck and a doe, out of the litter. The buck was named Biscuit and the doe was named Spirit. We’ll talk about them in a later post.

So at this point, 3 months in, we had 5 bucks, 4 does and 6 new kits. Yep, too many bucks but we didn’t care. We were figuring it out as we went cause we were new to raising rabbits for any reason and we didn’t have money to go buy a “pure breed” anything. We were looking at raising rabbits for meat and selling for pets. Well, as of now, we’re raising only for meat but that’s another story that I’ll tell in another post.

So where were you 3 month’s in? Did you buy “pure breeds” or a meat mutt?
Or are you thinking about it but don’t know where to start?
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Post number 2
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=163128589729480&id=100080970180679

15/10/2022

《Photo diary - post 2》

Although in post 1 I stated that May 2021 "started" everything, I have to admit, we had rabbits prior to May. The difference is in my mind...lol. May 2021 is when the first rabbits were purchased with my son's money, which for me is when things were truly truly serious. So I guess I have to back up.

In late March early April of 2021, my daughter and her soon to be husband had already gotten into rabbits and encouraged my youngest son to do the same. They wanted to help him get a good start so they gifted him some of their rabbits. We got what we all thought were 3 does and 1 buck. The does we named Juniper, Garnett and Janet (1 white front paw) and the buck was Fred. At a later date, probably a month later, we realized Janet wasn't a doe...so Janet turned out to be Jackson. Oh well....at least we didn't end up with an unexpected litter yet. (•we named them for ease of knowing who each other was talking about •)

Prior to getting them, a space had to be chosen, hutch built and begin to think about how to protect. This is the beginning....spot chosen, hutch built, some extra protection from heat and the start of putting up poles and old fencing for an enclosure. It was simple. Didn't need to be elaborate or beautiful. Just needed to be doable.



JnPRabbitryBYF

Link to post number 1
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=159881890054150&id=100080970180679

11/10/2022

Creamy wild rice & rabbit soup

1 pkg Shoreline Lunch Creamy Wild Rice soup mix
2 tbsp butter
~ 1 cup chopped onions
~1\2 cup to 1 cup chopped celery
~1 1\2 cups chopped portobello mushrooms
4 cups whole milk
~4-5 cups stock from pressure cooked rabbit
1/4 tsp chopped fresh thyme

1 whole rabbit, pressure cooked with 4 cups water and 2 chicken bouillon cubes and deboned

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In nonstick skillet heat butter, lightly brown onions, celery and mushrooms.

In large saucepan over medium heat add milk, stock from pressure cooker and thyme. Gently boil.

Then stir in soup mix, add rabbit and cooked vegetables. Simmer uncovered until rice is done, ~25 minutes, stirring occasionally.

♡ENJOY♡

10/10/2022

My son started it this morning and my husband joined in. An accident in measurements turned into a keeper for me! Now I have a small bench to sit on (or a step to get higher) and two lower spaces to grow in.

07/10/2022

Small: about 1.5 ounce per egg

Medium: about 1.75 ounce per egg

Large: about 2 ounces per egg

Extra-Large: about 2.25 ounces per egg

Jumbo: about 2.5 ounces per egg

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Pictured here is a 99g egg laid yesterday in our coop. It's weight in ounces is just over 3.5 ounces...the above information is from the internet giving the average weight of each size egg. All I have to say is, if my ladies keep laying eggs like this, we might need to invent a new egg size...🤣

Btw, my ladies 🐔 produce daily. I collect 9-10 eggs every day. So in a weeks time I have about 6 dozen eggs therefore, please don't wait till I post that I've got eggs available....I regularly have eggs available. I just recently sold 9 dozen to Bill's Produce Market in Warner Robins because they were excess and I had not gotten contacted for more. The oldest were about 10-11 days old. I try not to hold onto the eggs past 3 weeks unless I plan on hard boiling them.

05/10/2022

First time making BBQ rabbit. I don't like BBQ much because it's still greasy to me but rabbit meat is so lean I wanted to try. I'm so happy! YUMMY!

If interested I'll comment and tell you what I did . Btw, what's your favorite bbq sauce?