Parrot First Aid Group

19/05/2020

Degloving injury description.
Perhaps you could have a google.
Tissue below this often dies 👍

19/05/2020

More content coming soon, have a big thread for everyone.

19/05/2020

End of wing is necrosed, but bird is not suffering what a lie. If I had an injury to my arm and the tissue died I’m sure it would be painful.
Example of a bad owner. Letting the animal suffer and listening to these people who think they know everything because of their “experience” killing birds. Oh and try if you want but I won’t be stopped, no matter what you or your followers try 👍

16/05/2020

Admin update:
Angry emojis are allowed and encouraged in this group to express feelings towards what is happening to these animals.

16/05/2020

This is a thread to show a common pattern:
- Admin just decides a “small amount” was consumed based on an image. With toxicity cases best solution is to actually ASSUME toxicity has occurred and deal with it before effects take place.
- Decontamination is VITAL in cases like these. Even if a small amount was eaten (which is actually often NOT THE CASE) we can utilise tools to help bind potential toxins and protect their body from further or potential harm. It’s also not expensive to do this. Waiting and watching with toxins is a recipe for disaster.
- FYI your bird may die whilst waiting for a reply from this group, please consider actually seeking veterinary advice.

16/05/2020

Avian Vet Statement:
- Here is quite an extensive wound. It is impossible to tell from an image whether this is a burn or if it is from a bite. What you can tell is it is a degloving injury.
- Please do not put coconut oil OR cooking oil on exposed skin. It traps the fluid within the wound increasing the rate of infection and significantly lowering the change of forming healing tissue. It often results in loss of limb when issues like this occur and are not correctly managed.
- This causes SIGNIFICANT PAIN.
- Please see a vet with a wound like this, earlier the better to save the tissue. This is allowing an animal to suffer, and giving out poor advice.

02/05/2020

This hasn’t only happened to me.
View the comments 😭😥

This group takes hours or days to respond leaving people without advising to go to the vet in the mean time.

This was a very small snapshot.

02/05/2020

Same thing different day...
diagnosing from a picture 👎 suggesting what is wrong without knowing. Providing poor advise.

02/05/2020

Update in comments:
Bird plucked all feathers out due to pain.

02/05/2020

Avian Vet Statement:
- I’m not sure how this admin just diagnoses from a description as a specialist vet we utilise tools such as stethoscopes to diagnose disease. Not just a description.
- Very dangerous advice. Very very poor.
This might be one of the most disappointing things I have seen so far.

28/04/2020

Avian Vet Statement:
- Apparently this bird has “something wrong with its feet”. I’ve been an avian vet for 25 years and I couldn’t tell this from one image. There are so many other things it could be.
- This bird needs to see a vet urgently for help. Not just change the perches.

Very sad and cruel to recommend this to people.

28/04/2020

Avian vet advise:
Here the admin recommends CROP FLUSHING in an untrained person. Also continues to discuss after the client says it is too difficult. After this only the admin recommends vet visit. Very disappointing! You wouldn’t even know from the discussion that the bird has crop status. Very poor.

Please don’t do this, please don’t attempt this at home.

28/04/2020

Avian Vet Statement:
- The admin can tell if something is broken from looking at it.
- Doesn’t recommend getting veterinary assistance just “aloe Vera” and cayenne pepper. These two have been discussed before. Useless products and no benefit.
Overall:
I feel sorry for this bird left in pain to suffer with no advise. If you’re child got it’s hand stuck and it was swollen and sore would you just leave it? Or give some random herbal pain relief that doesn’t work. No.

28/04/2020

No.1 Risk to limb!!!

Don’t need an avian vet for this just common sense. This admin identifies from the image the leg ring is too tight on this bird. She then recommends removal with a tool that looks extremely dangerous if not utilised properly. The bird is also sleeping more, which even I know in birds is a sign that something else may be going on. Reckless and silly!!!!

Very disappointing!

28/04/2020

Hi page followers.
Sorry for my absence, I believed everything was fine until I had a quick glance at the parrot first aid Facebook group just last week.

The fact there is an influx given vets aren’t open for non-emergencies has shown a huge influx in people looking for help. The parrot first aid Facebook group should be stepping up and helping people realise it is an EMERGENCY not providing dodgy advise. This is not what this group is doing so more discussion will be added on this page to help people at least realise the damage these untrained non-processionals do you our precious companions.

I got a notification the group was archived which was the very best news I had heard in a long time. Not long after admin unarchived the page as she must have been bored without power trip she feels from the group due to an underlying issue with this woman.

Wish she would let go of the power trip so birds wouldn’t need to die needlessly.

22/01/2020

- My Avian Vet friend and myself have both been really impressed by the amounts of posts on parrot first aid that have been recommended to visit a vet straight away recently. Rather than providing a diagnosis pulled out of thin air.
- We hope Robyn can read this post and know that we are impressed she is leaving things to the professionals. Providing advice such as “cleaning the vent” or putting cornstarch to cease active bleeding is an example of first aid. Not providing a diagnosis or suggesting “at home treatments”, nor giving something like cayenne pepper for pain.
- Please keep doing this. It saves birds lives when you don’t assume!

06/01/2020

Avian Vet Statement:
- Please don’t put random medications on open wounds. Whilst honey seems like a cure all, in veterinary use it is actually used in very specific times for certain circumstances.
- The first thing that is required is flushing out of any harmful pathogens. Unfortunately this is often done incorrectly by owners and people attempting to give first aid advice to birds.
- Wounds need to be flushed first (with a sterile saline solution) to physically remove any pathogens or dirt. This is followed by a solution which will kill harmful pathogens themselves (chlorhexidine or iodine). The wound then in most cases requires a sterile dressing unless the area is unable to be physically placed on the area. After a week then the next step of healing isn’t progressing well is applying medical honey to the area. Vets never recommend oils such as coconut oil. These often just introduce contamination and provide no other benefit, despite what the “internet claims” as not everything on the internet is correct.
- The reason I explain this is so you understand why it is important to seek advice and help from your vet so we can help prevent infections in your bird.
- This wound looks very deep but pictures are deceiving. We as vets cannot just look at images and provide a diagnosis.
** Please note I am not having a go at the owners who posted this at all. I am just stating what vets would do in comparison to try to convince people not to seek advice from untrained online advice.
Also happy new year 🥳

24/12/2019

Avian Vet Statement:
- So we have a potential head trauma, hit by a fast moving fan. There is also a change in behaviour.
- Ok so the admin lady seems to believe he is in shock, she then asks what level of shock. So the owner is expected to magically know what level of shock the animal is at.
- She then basically says “he’ll be all good, no need for a vet unless he shows signs of shock or concussion. The bird is already showing signs of concussion??!!!! So not sure what she has assumed has magically resolved.
Overall:
- As usual, there is a diagnosis made, a treatment plan formed and some documents or links from the internet to back it up. As a vet I cannot tell you from the description of the bird is in shock, let alone the level of shock without a proper examination. Vets utilise our own knowledge + a good clinical exam and any other diagnostics to form a problem list which progresses to a diagnosis with diagnostics and then we form a treatment plan. We don’t just look at a picture or read a description then treat based on that for the reasoning that is not good practice. And being honest, we would LOOSE our licenses on the spot for doing so.
- Not even going to discuss the “treatment” as it just frustrates me to no end and I can’t be bothered discussing at home treatments that are useless anymore.
- Happy Christmas, emergency vets are open all weekend. They are never “booked out”. They cannot and do not refuse exotic patients in Australia especially critical cases that require at bare minimum PROPER first aid. Please consult them if you require help.

24/12/2019

Hope everyone is having a lovely Christmas (except one bird killer we all know who ). Wherever you are in the world hope you are having a good time with family. More posts to come tonight and over the week. Sorry my avian vet has been busy and unable to reply to my messages until today. We’re also not going anywhere if anyone was concerned, and as long as the parrot first aid Facebook group continues to threaten birds lives on a daily basis we will be here to show people the truth, indefinitely.

04/12/2019

Avian Vet Statement:
- Feel like I’m a broken record, but again an assumed diagnosis is made.
- Bird is clearly fluffed up in the video but could be from clearing its throat and associated behaviour, however this is clearly overlooked.
- If an owner is concerned, it’s generally not something to “keep an eye on”.
- Just the same issue over and over. This is going beyond first aid into presumptive diagnosis. Same thing, different bird.

04/12/2019

Avian Vet Statement:
- I will admit in this case the vet should have
a) Done further diagnostics as something more severe was going on than just “self trauma to the feet”
b) Should have done a follow-up call to see how the bird was travelling
- Most vets don’t regularly treat birds, but if a vet is concerned they should refer away if concerned. Vets are humans and aren’t perfect.
- My issue with this is the owner is obviously concerned as the mite treatment and anti-chewing methods simply did not help.
- The owner then contacted parrot first aid group, not once did the admin recommend returning back to the veterinary clinic or giving them a call.
- Instead of this she gives a list of things she believes the bird may have, I am not sure why she would do this? It is not like the owner can use that information to fix the bird themselves. The admin also ignores the fact the bird is having trouble or issues with its breathing. First aid should be making sure a patient is supported on route to the medical treatment. Not that the admins should be even providing this as they are clearly constantly overstepping the line between first aid and “impromptu veterinary treatment”
- The result was the bird passed away. As it normally is when a vet visit is not stressed by the admins of this group. Very disappointing. How would this case be different if this owner had contacted the vet? Maybe the admins should consider this!

04/12/2019

Avian Vet Statement:
- Jared forwarded these posts to me a little while ago, and I wanted to bring up a very important issue that is incredibly frustrating to vets. Although despite all odds she recommends a vet visit.
- When people with no veterinary knowledge assume a diagnosis, provide this presumptive diagnosis to the person asking. This person then comes into the consult with in most cases a incorrect diagnosis and they end up frustrated that trained qualified veterinarians need to do further diagnostics to actually determine how to best fix your pet. This sets people up for often a shock at sometimes the severity of the illness as well as cost of course.
- Veterinarians struggle with people claimed we are “money” hungry. But unfortunately, unlike some people (the admins of this page who are incorrect most of the time) we do not just assume a diagnosis and treat without further examination and/or diagnostics. People don’t realise that performing tests costs money: e.g. x-rays, microscopic examination. Most vets strive to provide top level veterinary SCIENCE, which is different to just treating an assumed disease. Sorry for the rant but people who do this just lead to frustration for vets. In some cases the birds treatments can be negatively impacted as owners trust the poor advice given by these non-professionals. You wouldn’t see someone on a side street having a coffee if you had an injury or illness, this is the same thing.

03/12/2019

Such a shame when messages come through to the group such as this. I wish everyone to share this group to your pages or bird groups so that we can work together to prevent this!
💔😭

03/12/2019

I don’t need the vet to help me with this one,
it’s the same as previously discussed.
At least she mentions going to a vet but attempting to push in a cloacal prolapse or even just mucking around with treatment will result in extreme stress for the bird and even cause death. Again reckless responses 😞

03/12/2019

Hahaha 🤣🤣🤣
I can find articles claiming the earth is flat, so it must be legit. Anyone can write anything on the internet and people just believe it to be true 😞 unfortunately the birds are the ones that suffer.

03/12/2019

Avian Vet Statement:
- This kind of thing is incredibly frustrating.
- If an animal is in shock, birds included they require warmth/fluids (intravenous fluids) and gastrointestinal support.
- Some people are clearly unsure how PAIN works, they disregard the fact that proper medication work on the pain pathway from the brain. They think that some peppers will help remove the pain. It’s quite funny they don’t use that in human hospitals.
Please please don’t give cayenne peppers as pain relief, or to treat shock. It’s got good nutrition, but for a bird in shock or pain that’s not the number 1 priority.
Overall:
- A common thread in people who just hook on to a fad item and believe it’s helping their pets. When it’s doing nothing to help them.

30/11/2019

Avian Vet Statement:
- Blood loss is always serious, especially if an owner is concerned. I believe this post may have been hours later from the incidence from her reply.
- Not herself and tired is also a warning sign in birds.
- A wound that’s not bleeding shouldn’t have aloe Vera applied to it and shouldn’t be washed again with salty water. This is not proper wound first aid.
- Not one mention of visiting a vet or even calling. So top marks.
- Very sad for the owner being left with a critical bird and subpar advice.

30/11/2019

Avian Vet Statement:
- If your animal has been diagnosed with trichomoniasis then it needs to be rechecked for this and treated accordingly.
- If it’s continuing to vomit despite being on metronidazole the best course of action is back to the vet.
- Metronidazole also isn’t the recommended treatment anymore (just a side note)
- Pepto Bismol..... SERIOUSLY??!!
- Ginger tea....... Again SERIOUSLY??!!
- Don’t give either of these things as this will do nothing and can be dangerous to birds. Teas in particular INCREASE vomiting risk in birds.
- All of this should be discussed with a vet, not following directions of a person who clearly is unsure of the directions she calls “first aid”.
Overall:
- As a vet these posts are incredibly frustrating! Only reason we are here is to help your animals and you. So seeing reckless advice just is so upsetting. Please guys just ring a vet. It’s free for advice they will tell you what you CAN use or if you SHOULD come in to the clinic for further help.

30/11/2019

30/11/2019

Avian Vet Statement:
- As I’ve mentioned previous these are dangerous recommendations
- This lady is not providing first aid she is recommending dangerous outdated home remedies on the premise of first aid.
Please don’t do this, if you are concerned about the eye worsening contact your local vet clinic or walk in with the bird.

29/11/2019

Avian Vet Statement:
- Any discharge from the nares in birds is abnormal
- It is almost 100% something is occurring in the bird, and it shouldn’t be ignored.
- Ignoring it is how birds become very ill very quickly.

29/11/2019

Please for the love of all is holy quit!
We all beg you too!