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Saurian Enterprises Saurian has been supplying the terrarium hobby for over 20 years. Top quality Frogs, Plants, terrar In 1994 I opened a small reptile store here in the St.
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My name is Patrick Nabors, and the following is a little information on my business, Saurian Enterprises, it's beginnings and history. Actually it's a lot of information, maybe too much, but I am often disappointed by the “company info” section on websites, they generally barely scratch the surface! This business is the end result of a lot of different events. I was always interested in the natura

l world as a kid, and then in my teens and twenties I always enjoyed getting out in the woods and exploring, catching lizards and snakes, and just appreciating all the great things that can be seen and experienced in the outdoors. Sometime in my mid to late twenties I became aware that a lot of different reptiles were being kept in captivity, and began to look into this a bit. I became particularly interested in geckos, and about 1990 I began keeping geckos and some other lizards. At this point I was working in restaurant management, specifically I was the manager of the restaurant and banquet operations at a local country club. I had been working in restaurants about 15 years when I finally quit in 1994. While I enjoyed many aspects of restaurant work, I was becoming bored with it, and the idea that I might be able to do something that involved working with these amazing creatures really inspired me to try to figure out how I could get out of the restaurant field. Louis area, called the St. Louis Lizard Company. The store was a great learning experience, and very successful in some ways. It combined a walk in retail store, as well as a mail order store. I say it was successful, since sales increased every month, and the store paid its own way, and the inventory and selection grew greatly over the first18 months. However, I was working for free at that point, and my wife's job was supporting our household, so when she lost her job it really put us in a tough spot. After a period of fruit less job searching, she was offered a great job opportunity in Central Illinois, about two hours away. We decided to move there, and after a few months of trying to run the store from Bloomington, we decided close the shop. At that point I began focusing on breeding some of the animals we had bred there in the store, such as bearded dragons, basilisks, water dragons, veiled chameleons and several monitor species. I also briefly bred some python species. I had always had an eye on dart frogs, in fact some of the very first animals I had were some E. tricolor that were given to me in about 1991. There were three or four of them, and they bred repeatedly for me, and while I did raise some babies, it was tough finding the right food for them at that time, as they were incredibly tiny. Anyway, it was about this time, 1995, that I really started to get into dart frogs. That year I acquired some D. imitator, D. reticulatus and some tinctorius. At this point I was trading small crickets to a couple of hobbyists for dart frog tadpoles and baby frogs, as I didn't have the funds to invest heavily in dart frogs, I had lost too much money closing the store down! Some of these frogs, acquired in 1995 and 1996, are still part of the breeding stock here. Over the next three years or so the dart frogs slowly forced the other animals out of the limited area I had for breeding there in my basement in Bloomington Illinois. I found them to be the most interesting of the animals I had worked with, and I especially liked the idea that you could at least begin to approximate a natural setup for them, unlike most other reptiles and amphibians I had seen in the hobby. In addition I became very interested in the environment that these animals come from, tropical rainforests. During this time, my wife and I made a couple of trips to Belize and Costa Rica, and spent some time exploring the beautiful forests of these countries. In late 2000, we decided to move back to St. Louis, (of course by this time I had something I didn't have when we moved to Bloomington, two little girls, which made every thing a little more challenging!) and by the spring of 2001 we were getting settled in here in our new home. The new place has a much bigger basement, and thus room for lots more frogs. The move really took a while to get over, but eventually we did, and have continued to grow in our new location. An old friend of mine, a former chef, burnt out from the restaurant business, decided he wanted to try working with frogs and lizards. His name is Jimmie, and his hard work, innovation and dedication have made a huge difference in the business. Our extra space and Jimmie's extra hands have allowed us to really grow! Once we got settled in here in St Louis, we have, through trial and error, expanded in many ways. Our larger facility has allowed us to offer larger frogs, and even a regular supply of s*xed pairs of young adult dart frogs. Also we have begun to offer a variety of terrarium supplies, including plants, decor and backgrounds. All the while we are still trying to provide the best service and advice to our customers possible.

Check out this newly emerged leaf on an Anthurium crystallinum "red"...regrettably the leaf transitions to green, howeve...
09/10/2020

Check out this newly emerged leaf on an Anthurium crystallinum "red"...regrettably the leaf transitions to green, however the green leaves are beautiful as well....but it makes new leaves emerging an event to be watched for...

Check out these awesome springtail cultures we are offering!  I've been doing the old charcoal and water cultures for ye...
21/09/2020

Check out these awesome springtail cultures we are offering! I've been doing the old charcoal and water cultures for years, and they do work...but they are kind of a pain, and they can be fussy.
All that is in the past, these clay lined 24 oz cultures produce a lot of springtails, and are stable and long lived. Easy care and above all, extreme ease of getting the springtails out...they just fall out!

Got some  super cute little viper geckos ready to go to new homes!  These guys are a lot of fun, I kept and bred them fo...
18/09/2020

Got some super cute little viper geckos ready to go to new homes! These guys are a lot of fun, I kept and bred them for a few years back in the 90s....seems like they are more popular than ever now!
The ones available are around 2 months old and you can find them on my site, here- https://saurian.net/day-geckos-other-geckos/

Just posted a nice little three some of Theloderma asperum....noticed eggs in the growout container I was raising these ...
02/10/2019

Just posted a nice little three some of Theloderma asperum....noticed eggs in the growout container I was raising these three in last week....ready made breeding project for some one! Check them out at www.saurian.net!

02/10/2019
The galactonotus group is sort of Brazil's answer to Surinam's tinctorius morph radiation...multiple different forms of ...
12/09/2019

The galactonotus group is sort of Brazil's answer to Surinam's tinctorius morph radiation...multiple different forms of this frog occur across a wide range within Brazil. While the species is considered to be common and in no danger in most of its range, unfortunately the reality is that, with many small and distinct populations of separate color forms, damage and destruction to the frogs environment may have already wiped out some forms of this frog, and the future is even more grim, most notably, (besides the fires raging in the Amazon) a dam being constructed which will flood the habitat of many localities of this iconic dart frog, as well as displacing 20,000 indigenous people. And to add even more bad news, the dam in question, (Belo Monte Dam) is just the first of approximately 60 planned by the Brazilian government. The number of species which would be lost is incalculable....
Anyway, after all that dark stuff, if you have stuck around...I've been working with various forms of Adelphobates galactonotus since the mid nineties, and they are an excellent terrarium subject, doing well in groups, and providing enough visibility to be interesting, but hiding enough to be a little mysterious!
Right now you can find one of the most sought after dart frogs in this group, the red galactonotus, at Saurian.net. These are going to be large juveniles, and larger frogs are available if you are interested! Just message me if you are interested in larger frogs, otherwise the regular juveniles are there on the website. Currently there are not any proven groups, but I do have a couple of extra males...

These little tiger leg monkey frogs are thriving and growing fast!  Love those orange flanks and leg markings!  As they ...
31/08/2019

These little tiger leg monkey frogs are thriving and growing fast! Love those orange flanks and leg markings! As they grow up the green will deepen and they will look more like the second photo, of one of our breeders.Check them out in our web store!

Just about to pack this beauty up and send her to her new home...love the red and white together....
27/08/2019

Just about to pack this beauty up and send her to her new home...love the red and white together....

I'm working on terrariums and terrarium accessories, and I will be bringing a product line to the website soon!   A week...
23/08/2019

I'm working on terrariums and terrarium accessories, and I will be bringing a product line to the website soon! A week ago I built four 12 x 12 x 18 ExoTerra tanks, for a group of Gargoyle geckos (that's an exciting project but more on that later!)...anyway, thought the tanks turned out nicely. Since the 12 by 12 size is fairly compact, I think I may begin offering these as a shipped item. The pictured tank would be for geckos, cresteds or gargoyles, or day geckos. However I'll be doing a similar build for dart frogs...this size is great for thumbnail dart frog pairs....
One of the main things both a gecko tank and a dart frog or tree frog tank will have is this background material. I'm pretty excited about it, I've been working on formulating it for a few years on and off. It is soft but durable and should resist rotting for years....plants love to grow into it.

Bird p**p frogs, or Theloderma asperum, are another of the small semi aquatic frogs in this species complex.  This speci...
22/08/2019

Bird p**p frogs, or Theloderma asperum, are another of the small semi aquatic frogs in this species complex. This species varies in appearance immensely, mostly depending on time of day...but they have at least three distinct appearances, in my experience. This frog is showing the lighter appearance I see at night mostly. During the day, this same frog can appear solid brown, or brown with white markings!
I've been working with the "p**ps" for many years now, and find them very easy to keep and breed. I've got some juveniles that are rapidly becoming young adults and I'd expect a group of these would become a breeding group pretty fast!

08/08/2019

So...the new website is finally up, hope you guys enjoy! I have a lot of plans for the site in the upcoming months, there will be new products being added regularly in most of the categories....I've got new frogs to add, new plants to add, new isopods to add...and new products, like our backgrounds and terrarium setup kits...
Thanks!!

New site is still coming...really....right around the corner!   Meanwhile, life goes on....Got this nice young group of ...
25/04/2019

New site is still coming...really....right around the corner!
Meanwhile, life goes on....
Got this nice young group of four Cinnamon Frogs (T. pictus) that just started laying eggs...posted on my site right now, ready to go for you, a new breeding project!
I love these frogs, they are easy to house together, and their requirements are super simple...
Easy tads to raise and froglets quickly grow to a large enough size to send home with friends!
Check them out here-
https://saurian.net/Cinnamon-Tree-Frog-4.html

05/03/2019

So, maybe the biggest and bestest new feature on the site is some flat rate 2 Day shipping, via FedEx!! We are going to be offering plants, isopods and some of our fruit flies and culturing supplies with FedEx 2nd Day shipping, flat rate! Rates for this will be between $11 and $16, I haven't completely figure that out yet....but for "one low fee" you'll be able to have several plants, or several isopod cultures, or some fruit flies, shipped to you.
Should be fun!

05/03/2019

So the new cover photo is a teaser for the upcoming website! I think I've unraveled the most complex of the issues involved and now its just a matter of getting the site up and running! I think the new site will be live by later this month, and hopefully within a week or two I'll be able to post a more definite date!

05/03/2019
Got some new frogs posted on my site right now...got a nice little group of Cinnamon frogs that are starting to lay eggs...
02/12/2018

Got some new frogs posted on my site right now...got a nice little group of Cinnamon frogs that are starting to lay eggs, as well as a pair of mossy frogs that are breeding now, a few pairs or groups of adult dart frogs, like 1.1 Varadero imitator, some Santa Isabella tricolors, and pairs of Costa Rican Auratus...check it out! www.saurian.net

Aw geez...web development is such a pita!!  The new site is still in the works, but just for fun here are some of the ne...
28/11/2018

Aw geez...web development is such a pita!!
The new site is still in the works, but just for fun here are some of the new products that we'll be offering...Working on some awesome cheap shipping options for these as well!

14/10/2018

Hey friends and fans, just wanted to let you all know that we have some pretty big changes coming to Saurian.net. These things take time, but it won't be long now until we are unveiling a new site and new offerings!
More info to follow soon!

28/08/2016

Finally got some of the anti mite shelf paper back in stock....they made ordering it really hard! But after many phone calls I finally have a bit of this product in stock! Great for lining your fruit fly culturing shelf with, this product will help to keep free range mites from getting into your cultures, and keep them from spreading from one shelf to another!
A ten foot roll is only 8'! This product last for many many months after you have taped it down to your shelf....
http://saurian.net/Insecticidal-Shelf-Paper-10-Roll.html

Fruit Fly Starter Kit for Hydei Fruit Flies, with ten cups, lids and media for ten cultures

If there is anything more exciting than a new project, its a new project that hits the ground running!  I recently had a...
01/08/2016

If there is anything more exciting than a new project, its a new project that hits the ground running! I recently had a chance to pick up a group of awesome crowned tree frogs (Anotheca spinosa). Awesome frogs, I can honestly say they have been on my short list for a while!
Although information on these frogs is somewhat hard to come by, I've had some good luck with my group so far,and I've got some offspring out of the water already! Look for more information on keeping and breeding these incredible frogs on my site in the next few months!
It will be a bit before I have anything available, but hopefully going forward, I should be able to offer this frog on a semi regular basis!

18/03/2016

Hey thought I'd make a long over due post here....I've just posted a little piece on my site about temperature s*x determination in frogs...nothing really definitive, just anecdotal stuff......but I'm pretty much convinced that some tree frogs (mossy frogs, Cinnamon frogs) are temperature s*x determined...check it out here http://saurian.net/Temperature-s*x-determination-in-frogs.html

Temperature s*x determination in tree frogs? Evidence suggests treefrogs and possibly other frogs are temperature s*x determined!

17/11/2015

I'm excited to announce that I'll be offering some awesome Milk Frogs in early December! I've got a few dozen that we produced her, that are going to be ready to ship between November 30th and around December 10th....I expect they will go fast so let me know if you are interested! $65 each...
Thanks, Patrick

Got a couple of young Chahoua that are almost ready to ship!  These guys are about five weeks old and probably ready to ...
04/11/2015

Got a couple of young Chahoua that are almost ready to ship! These guys are about five weeks old and probably ready to go home in the next week or two...I'm asking $375 each or buy both and they ship for free.

Ok, well haven't posted on here for a while!  I thought i would start using the "news" feature on my website to discuss ...
25/10/2015

Ok, well haven't posted on here for a while! I thought i would start using the "news" feature on my website to discuss various aspects of the frog hobby, everything from care tips to general observations. My first post is up, and might be of interest to some of you, especially if you are somewhat new to the hobby of keeping reptiles and amphibians.
When you are getting started, one of the main mysteries is how to find the animals you are interested in. Perhaps your local pet stores just don't carry a good selection of animals, and you can't get to the nearest reptile shows, so you want to try buying online...after all the selection is awesome, and in a lot of cases you get the animals you want for less even after paying shipping. But....there are lots of scammers and unscrupulous dealers out there that might take advantage of you. After being in the hobby for more than 20 years (yikes!) I've seen most of the scams and ripoffs, and honestly most of them are pretty easy to avoid, if you will just be a little patient, and follow the guidelines I set out in this post....so, if you are interested in learning how not to get ripped off when buying animals online, check it out! The link to the article is right on the front page of the site, www.saurian.net
Ok, more to come soon!

Saurian Enterprises is a small business which specializes in breeding Dart frogs, otherwise known as Poison Dart frogs, or Poison Arrow frogs. We have been breeding frogs and lizards for over fifteen years now, and offer a wide selection of captive bred gems, along with a full line of supplies for t…

20/05/2015

The pumilio shipment is in Atlanta and should be on the first flight tomorrow morning to Kansas City....I hope to have them in my possession by noon or so! I'll be posting up some pictures shortly, looking forward to seeing the Tortuguero particularly!

Just posted up the Bird P**p frogs (Theloderma asperum) juveniles on my site, I know there were some folks waiting for t...
18/05/2015

Just posted up the Bird P**p frogs (Theloderma asperum) juveniles on my site, I know there were some folks waiting for them to be ready....well they are ready! Cute little guys, about the size of a dime at this point, and very nicely marked!
I'm asking $45 each and you can find them in the "other frogs" section of my frog store...www.saurian.net

14/05/2015

I've been busy making some trades and picking up some juvenile frogs here and there! I just received a dozen or so banded leucomelas young adults, they are really a nice looking frog! Also just got a few orange galactonotus, and a very few reds. These frogs are juveniles. I'm going to get some pictures and post them up later today hopefully.

14/05/2015

The Costa Rican shipment is now set for arrival on Wednesday of next week! Finally! More details to follow!

30/04/2015

Just got news that the next Costa Rican shipment will be landing in about ten days! Currently I am expecting small numbers of Tortuguero, Siquirres, Guapile and Puerto Viejo form O. pumilio.
Prices- pairs $375
I will follow up shortly with some pictures!
Thanks!

Got some really cool D. auratus in recently, and took a lot of photos of these.  I'll be posting some for sale shortly.....
14/03/2015

Got some really cool D. auratus in recently, and took a lot of photos of these. I'll be posting some for sale shortly...really neat frogs though!

Check this Tokay out!  I produced a few tokay offspring out of a pair of double het geckos....anyway, not sure what this...
19/02/2015

Check this Tokay out! I produced a few tokay offspring out of a pair of double het geckos....anyway, not sure what this offspring is, but it is cool looking! I have two that are roughly the same, looking forward to figuring out if there is a pair!

I picked up my first group of Solomon Isle Leaf frogs back in 2002.   That group produced well for me and I've had good ...
03/02/2015

I picked up my first group of Solomon Isle Leaf frogs back in 2002. That group produced well for me and I've had good luck with leaf frogs ever since. These are mid size to large terrestrial frogs that are the classic sit and wait predator. Their odd head ornamentation helps to conceal their profile and they spend their days sitting motionless on the forest floor, waiting for something to walk by. When that unfortunate bug, frog or lizard does come by, the leaf frog explodes into motion, engulfing the prey with it's over sized mouth! These frogs lay eggs in small pits they dig in the dirt, and the eggs develop directly into small (tiny) frogs which hatch out and bounce about the forest floor! Seriously though, they must have a very high mortality rate in the wild, since the offspring are so small. But the adults make up for it by producing lots of eggs......these frogs can lay up to 30 eggs at a time (twenty or so is more usual) and a female can lay a clutch every three or four weeks.
I've got a few clutches out of the egg and ready to go to you, so let me know if you are interested, or just jump on my site and you can shop there!

Recently I picked up a group of Theloderma asperum.  I used to breed this little frog, probably ten years ago. They are ...
27/01/2015

Recently I picked up a group of Theloderma asperum. I used to breed this little frog, probably ten years ago. They are fascinating little semi aquatic frogs, related to the Vietnamese Mossy Frogs. These frogs are found in Peninsular Malaysia as well as a variety of other locations through South East Asia. They are lowland frogs that utilize tree holes and other water pools that can be found in plants, such as cut bamboo. The frogs coloration blends well with tree bark and leaf litter. They have a number of common names but perhaps the most well known is the bird p**p frog, for the splash of whitish color on the rump, which certainly does make you think of a splatter of bird p**p on a tree or something similar.
These little frogs are easy to breed, and lay their eggs on wooden surfaces near or overhanging water.
If all goes well we will be offering these little guys in April or May!

Check out this little creature!  I usually let the mossy frog eggs start to develop  before I remove them from the tank,...
22/01/2015

Check out this little creature! I usually let the mossy frog eggs start to develop before I remove them from the tank, it seems to improve the results. When I pulled the limb this clutch was laid on, I was struck by how beautiful the array of glistening eggs was, each developing tadpole suspended in their own little world.......

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