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Lishmar Working Dogs Rottweiler’s and German Shepherds are a Hobby. We occasionally breed and when we do, we breed for Rottweilers and German Shepherds are our favoured breed.

We are a Hobby Kennel where we occasionaly breed for both the Show ring and IPO. We have many contacts in the dog world mostly on main land Europe. We can arrange to source and import either a show or working puppy. So if we can be of assistance please contact us.

14/12/2022

"EL OLFATO DE LOS PERROS"
Seguro que lo has oído mil veces: la visión de un perro es mucho más limitada que, por ejemplo, la de un humano, ya que no distingue tanto los colores. De hecho, a menudo se dice que ven su sentido del olfato, que en comparación está hiperdesarrollado. Y en verdad, el hocico de una lata funciona a través de un mecanismo infinitamente más complejo que el nuestro.

Tan pronto como hay un sabor a viento, su trufa esponjosa ayuda a capturar cada aroma que trae la brisa, luego los registra "en estéreo". Es decir: cada fosa nasal capta los aromas por separado, lo que permite distinguir no solo de qué fuente provienen , pero donde esta cada uno de ellos.

Para mayor precisión, en cuanto el aire entra por la nariz del perro, se encuentra con dos compartimentos: uno para respirar y otro para oler. Entonces pasa a través de sus células receptoras de olores, que son increíblemente numerosas en relación con los humanos. Hasta 300 millones se localizan en el hocico frente a los 5 millones que tenemos.

Ya decimos que su olfato está mucho más desarrollado que el nuestro, y efectivamente hay más evidencias que sacan a la luz las bondades de un órgano que funciona como un reloj suizo. Mientras el hombre inspira y expira por el mismo orificio, su amigo cuadrúpedo recoge aire por las fosas frontales, pero lo expulsa por los costados de esas hendiduras, generando movimientos de aire que facilitan la introducción de nuevas moléculas del olor. Moléculas cuya información es procesada por un cerebro mucho más desarrollado que el humano al tener un "bulbo de olor" más grande. Distinguen y recuerdan una gran variedad de olores.

Vamos, si somos capaces de oler un perfume y reconocer a quien lo toma teniéndolo frente a una pequeña habitación, el perro sería capaz de asimilar hasta cada uno de los ingredientes del mismo… estando en medio de una pelota de fútbol campo... Todo tiene un perfil oloroso distinguible para el perro: todo animal, o incluso insecto, que está en un árbol de la calle. Y puede saber dónde está y en qué dirección va.

Pepper my new Travel Buddy ( Glen of Imaal terrier) descended from a female I owned in 1995. Great to have my own Bloodl...
07/11/2022

Pepper my new Travel Buddy ( Glen of Imaal terrier) descended from a female I owned in 1995. Great to have my own Bloodlines back. Currently she is learning about obedience and tracking.

22/09/2022

American Indian Dog

It’s not a wolf, and it’s not a coyote; it’s an American Indian dog. known for its long, pointy ears, thick coat, intense stare, and impressive build.
These working companion animals were almost lost to history after our American Indians were segregated onto reservations, and often left without the resources necessary to maintain the ancient breed.

According to the experts at Animal Corner, the Native American Indian Dog is believed to be up to 30,000 years old. Yes, it's possible that the breed shared parts of North America with some of the earliest Native Americans to inhabit the land. Some specialists have theorized that the Native American Indian Dog breed could even be the missing link between wolves and the modern dog as we know it today.

22/09/2022

🍀🍀 All the very best of luck to Team Ireland 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪 as they prepare to compete at the WUSV IGP World Championships in Randers, Denmark from September 28-October 2. We'll all be cheering you on! 🍀🍀

09/05/2022

Contact Marcin on 085 1163282

Congratulations to Kevin Le Fondre and Balthazar Vom Lishmar on achieving their IPO2 today at OG Waterside under Mr Jim ...
28/11/2021

Congratulations to Kevin Le Fondre and Balthazar Vom Lishmar on achieving their IPO2 today at OG Waterside under Mr Jim Jackson.

17/11/2021
All Puppies have now gone to their New Homes. We are delighted for their New owners and wish them every success. Apologi...
12/11/2021

All Puppies have now gone to their New Homes. We are delighted for their New owners and wish them every success.
Apologies to the numerous people who contacted us and were disappointed in not getting one.

Thriving at 6 weeks. Love being out in the fine weather. Phone or PM for info.
25/10/2021

Thriving at 6 weeks.
Love being out in the fine weather. Phone or PM for info.

19/10/2021

Lishmar puppies at 5 weeks only 2 available pm me if interested details of litter on page. Ginny Vom Schaffe repeat mating with Aman Von Clonburg who on the 3rd of October at the GSA working dog National Championship he achieved the title Irish National Champion. As a result of this achievement he will represent Ireland at the WUSV World championships to be held in Spain on the 3rd to the 7th November 2021.

Important for when you purchase a Puppy
05/10/2021

Important for when you purchase a Puppy

I am delighted to announce that our  German Shepherd import Ginny Vom Schaffe has produced a lovely litter of pups (4 ma...
04/10/2021

I am delighted to announce that our German Shepherd import Ginny Vom Schaffe has produced a lovely litter of pups (4 males and 2 females). This is a repeat mating with Aman Von Clonburg who on the 3rd of October at the GSA working dog National Championship he achieved the title Irish National Champion. As a result of this achievement he will represent Ireland at the WUSV World championships to be held in Spain on the 3rd to the 7th November 2021.
This will be Ginny’s last litter as she goes into a well-earned retirement.
Her puppies from previous litters have gone on for Sport, Police work, Mountain rescue and as family pets .

Congratulations to all who competed at the GSA working dog National Championship at Deerpark Ballygar. In particular to ...
04/10/2021

Congratulations to all who competed at the GSA working dog National Championship at Deerpark Ballygar.
In particular to Brian Simpson and Aman Von Clonburg who achieved the title of National Champion and now goes to represent Ireland in Spain at the World Championships. All of his hard work and preparation was assisted without hesitation by Denise Redmond who supported him right up to the competition day.
Well done both of you.
Its great to be a friend and fellow member at OG Waterside in Donabate 👍. You have both made us very proud.

11/10/2020

"A Corona Virus lesson"
This picture from World War II, a soldier carrying a donkey. It is not that the soldier loves donkeys or has some sort of perversion. What's happening is that the field is mined and that if the donkey was free to wonder as it pleased, it would likely detonate a charge and kill everyone. The moral of the story is that during difficult times the first ones you have to keep under control are the jackasses who don't understand the danger and do as they please.

All our recent Litter have been placed in their new homes both here and abroad. Many thanks to Brian Simpson for allowin...
04/10/2020

All our recent Litter have been placed in their new homes both here and abroad. Many thanks to Brian Simpson for allowing us to use his Fabulous dog Aman Von Clonburg IPO3 with our own German import Ginny Vom Schaffe. All of these puppies have the intelligence and temperament for either sport or professional work for which they were acquired. Good luck to their owners and we wish them all success with the new members of their Family.

It is with Genuine sadness that I learned of the death of Alan Doyle whom I have known for the past 35 years. Proud to s...
29/07/2020

It is with Genuine sadness that I learned of the death of Alan Doyle whom I have known for the past 35 years. Proud to say I sold him his first Rottweiler and at that time it was unknown to me that it would set him on a path that will be only surpassed by a very few.
His Knowledge, Passion and Love for this Majestic breed was second to none. He introduced bloodlines to this small country of ours that at times were only dreamt of.
Rottsdale Rottweilers through his strive for perfection and his personal desire to enhance the breed brought him to many countries around the World where he developed long lasting friendships. Alan it was a pleasure knowing you and I will miss the numerous chats about the Rottweiler and our intentions to make it an all round working dog in Ireland.
My Deepest and Sincere condolences to Theresa, Jack, Ellie Mae & Alanna. May you find comfort in each other over the next while in the knowledge that Alan will be watching over you. RIP.

25/04/2020

Corona’s Letter To Humanity
The earth whispered but you did not hear.
The earth spoke but you did not listen
The earth screamed but you turned her off.

And so I was born...

I was not born to punish you..
I was born to awaken you..

The earth cried out for help...

Massive flooding. But you didn't listen.
Burning fires. But you didn't listen.
Strong hurricanes. But you didn't listen.
Terrifying Tornadoes. But you didn't listen.

You still don't listen to the earth when....

Ocean animals are dying due to pollutants in the waters.
Glaciers melting at an alarming rate.
Severe drought.

You didn't listen to how much negativity the earth is receiving.

Non-stop wars.
Non-stop greed.

You just kept going on with your life..
No matter how much hate there was..
No matter how many killings daily..

It was more important to get that latest iPhone than worry about what the earth was trying to tell you..

But now I am here.

And I've made the world stop on its tracks.

I've made YOU finally listen.
I've made you take refuge.
I've made you stop thinking about materialistic things..

Now you are like the earth...

You are only worried about YOUR survival.

How does that feel?

I give you fever.. as the fires burn on earth.
I give you respiratory issues.. as your pollution filled the earth air.

I gave you weakness as the earth weakens every day.

I took away your comforts..
Your outings.
The things you would use to forget about the planet and its pain.

And I made the world stop...

And now...
China has better air quality..
Skys are clear blue because factories are not spewing pollution unto the earth's air.

The water in Venice is clean and dolphins are being seen. Because the gondola boats that pollute the water are not being used.

YOU are having to take time to reflect on what is important in your life.

Again I am not here to punish you.. I am here to Awaken you...

When all this is over and I am gone... Please remember these moments..

Listen to the earth.
Listen to your soul.
Stop Polluting the earth.
Stop Fighting among each other.
Stop caring about materialistic things.
And start loving your neighbors.
Start caring about the earth and all its creatures.
Start believing in a Creator.

Because next time, I may come back even stronger....

Signed,
Corona - The Virus

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A thought provoking poem by Vivienne Reich. The artist is called: emily fiegenschuh

22/03/2020

The early trickle of new coronavirus infections has turned into a steady current. By creating simple simulations, we can see how to slow it down.

21/03/2020

Dr Lisa - COVID-19 - PPE Protocal for GP's Sláinte Dr Lisa

18/03/2020

Some useful tips and info on the COVID-19 virus and how to prevent its spread. This information is current in the UK as at 17th March 2020. http://facebook.c...

Happy Christmas to All and a Healthy, Prosperous New Year.🌲🌲🌲👋
25/12/2019

Happy Christmas to All and a Healthy, Prosperous New Year.🌲🌲🌲👋

04/10/2019

Alvin Davis was a Police K9 handler, trained Northern Irish Police K9 teams and competed in IPO at the highest level of competition. Working dogs were more than in his blood, they were in his heart. Together with his dog Obi Wan Kenobi vom Wolfsblick, they won the 2017 Irish National Championship and represented Ireland at the 2017 WUSV World Championship in Tilburg, Netherlands.

Alvin passed away in June of 2018. His influence, expertise and passion is sorely missed. He left behind a huge hole in the hearts of the Irish working dog community that may never be filled. Before his passing, Alvin asked Clare Weir, a member of his training club, to continue Obi's training. He wanted Obi to live a life in which he could thrive. Clare was humbled. At the 2019 WUSV IGP World Championship in Modena, Obi and Clare took the field representing Ireland #01 and honoring the memory of Alvin. This magnificent dog displayed the poise, confidence, power and control he developed with his lifelong partner Alvin. Clare was a perfect dance partner and Obi's performance was a deeply moving tribute to the man and the dog he loved.

** Working Shepherds For Sale** All Puppies have found new homes . Good luck to them and their new owners. We are sure t...
26/08/2019

** Working Shepherds For Sale** All Puppies have found new homes . Good luck to them and their new owners. We are sure they will do us proud. 👍.
We Have 2 Female puppies out of our female Ginny Vom Schaffe BH and Sired by AMAN VON CLONBURG
AD -IGP2 -KORUNG - V4 2019 working class seiger. Born on the 16th July.

17/05/2019

The Rottweiler head, the Norwegian initiative ... a follow up.

Dear Rottweiler Friends,

This morning, I received an email by several IFR-Member clubs asking to take a position on the initiative of the Norwegian club to measure the heads of all Rottweilers that participate their breed special shows.

All Delegates have received the e-mail by the Norwegian Rottweiler club with the results of this measuring.

These findings are worrying, even frightening because they show that all dogs had a too short muzzle in proportion to the length of the head ! All of them, with no exception …!
The IFR cannot be blind or mute for this. Moreover, I hear that a first review in another country (an analysis of the results of breed suitability tests) would lead to similar findings.

This is even the more frightening as the establishment of the muzzle being too short is based on a criterion that on itself is already a consolidation or an acceptance of a too short muzzle ! Let me explain.

The currently generally accepted or even recommended ratio of 40 / 60 % (or 1 – 1,5) concerns the ratio of the length of the muzzle and of the rest of the skull to the total length of the head.

This ratio can be derived from the ADRK-Lehrtafel as being the ideal proportion of the nosebridge (Nasenrücke) to the upperskull (Oberkopf) and is since long known to us all.

The ratio was decided upon by ADRK-judges on 31.08.1981 (Pienkoss, Rottweiler, 2008, p. 200) as an internal guideline but was never adopted into the FCI-standard.

To the contrary even, this ratio meant an important deviation from the standard that at that moment (standard 147 b dd. 25.03.1970) still defined the proportions of the head as :

“Von der Nasenkuppe bis zum inneren Augenwinkel nicht länger als der Oberkopf von inneren Augenwinkel bus zum Hinterhauptbein”

or freely translated :

“The distance from the nose to the inner eye corner is not longer than the length of the skull from the inner eye corner to the occipital bone”.

This standard allowed for a ratio of 50 / 50 (and even the current breed standard 147 dd. 19.06.2000 only states that the foreface should appear neither elongated nor shortened in relation to the cranial region).

The internal decision was meant to meet a factual evolution that precisely led away from the FCI standard, namely towards a head shape that was seen more and more often : with a shorter muzzle and an extremely arched skull, supposedly letting the dog seem friendlier and smarter (the current problem concerns not only the length of the muzzle, it concerns the whole shape of the head, incl. height and width, a too inwards too high and steep stop split by an even deeper groove, …).

I think we may understand that decision as a token of realism but also as a wish to determine an utter limit so to be at least able to define, penalize and limit further deviations from the standard.



I am personally of the opinion that this ratio of 40 / 60 on itself defines a short muzzle (cfr. the standard). It does however not define an extreme head nor is it the necessary or direct cause of nowadays problematic evolution towards extreme heads … on condition however that we understand this ratio to be indeed a limit. Limits are to be respected and are by definition not stretchable as otherwise they lose all relevance.



In my opinion, the current evolution towards no longer breed specific but (sometimes even very) extreme heads, is only the result of too permissive judging, meaning judging with too much toleration of deviations from the breed standard – consciously or not – and even going far beyond the limits of the 40/60 ratio. Breeders understand and use show results as selection criteria and will emphasize those deviations even more.



As the ratio of 40/60 is already defining a short muzzle, allowing or tolerating muzzles that are even shorter than this, necessarily leads to extremes.



If I say that I find the first results of the Norwegian initiative frightening, the thought of ever more tolerations is even more frightening and then especially the sum of those tolerances. We seem to have tolerated for example muzzles that measure only 38 % of the head’s length instead of 40 % and have become so used to this that we see it as “normal”. This is being tolerant on what is already a toleration … . What is next ? Another toleration on the results of those tolerations ? Where will the sum of those tolerances lead us ?

I’ll say nothing new when I state that while we all know very well that the brachycephalic syndrome is a highly unwanted trait, it has entered our breed pool and we did nothing to stop it. To the contrary, these unwanted traits (the too short muzzle, the massive round dome-shaped skull with a much too high and too steep stop that is often cloven by a deep groove) seem to have become so strongly consolidated in the breed’s genetics that I often even wonder if many amateurs even know or remember what the correct head type is … !

I hear that in Norway, the Rottweiler is now understood by cynologic authorities to be a brachycephalic breed while the skull should in fact be of the mesocephalic type.

So : believe it or not : a tolerance of just a few percentages, just a few millimeters … is all it takes to change a breed type !

Just imagine the current situation in which specialist judges have to discuss how the Rottweiler head should be like and/or what a breed specific expression is ! The situation in which one specialist judge penalizes a dog for having a too short muzzle and a no longer breed typical head and so grading him to be “sufficient” or “good” while a week before another specialist judge described the same dog as having a “strong broad” muzzle and awarded him the first place with an excellent grading … is not inconceivable but is something that happens just as it happens that a judge describes a muzzle to be long or elongated while it is in fact even too short as it does not even reach the – on itself already short – ratio of 40 % !

This is unacceptable and detrimental for the breed’s definition and future, but unfortunately, it is a reality.

Besides the mere cynologic aspects, there is also the health issue and then more precisely the Brachycephalic Airway Obstruction Syndrome (BAOS).

I like to refer to the FCI’s “Basic Statement for Show Judges. Dogs fit for their original function”. The statement strongly demands all show judges not only to judge the breed within the approved breed standard but to also keep in mind that “dogs must always be fit for the function for which they were originally meant, developed and bred for.” A judge must particularly pay attention to the breed-specific characteristics which have a tendency towards exaggeration, which can creep into a breed and have a negative effect on the health of the individual dog. The judge must be aware of the fact that a dog with exaggerated breed characteristics which can lead and result in health, behaviour or movement problems, should be excluded from breeding and therefore never be awarded a qualification “Excellent.” !! In particular, all dogs should be able to breathe normally while standing and moving. Particular attention should therefore be paid to exaggerations which might prevent healthy breathing such as very noisy breathing and/or audible respiratory distress.

When a dog’s muzzle (skeletal structure) is so short that the soft palate (of normal length) enters the windpipe and so obstructs the free in- and outflow of air (BAOS), then it must be clear that such a dog is not fit to function, not in the context of the breed’s original utility nor it its nowadays versatility and not even for basic normal functions as a daily walk or a playful run.

The Rottweiler is moreover not a dog that should just be fit enough for a short walk for sanitary purposes. The Rottweiler is a utility breed, physically defined to be a tireless enduring trotter. An unobstructed respiration is an essential condition for this ! As the Rottweiler is an extremely versatile dog breed, I will immediately accept that the notion of a “utility dog” may cover a wide range of activities but even then, nobody can question that a healthy respiratory system is an essential condition to function in whatever utility context and is essential for even a mere basic health.

Only a few weeks ago I stopped dogs from running after hardly 2 laps in an only medium sized show ring and asked the public to listen to the clearly laborious audible breathing of some of these dogs ! Just imagine, dogs that – at least in name – belong to a working breed and that are being presented as to be ambassadors of the breed and the genetic foundation for the breed’s future but who are unable to trot for more 100 meters without showing physical distress ! This is just not acceptable and rewarding these dogs instead of penalizing them seems, in my opinion, like betraying the breed, its utility, its definition, its very reason and core of existence.

I therefore welcome the initiative of the Norwegian club to introduce mandatory measuring of the muzzle/skull proportion in the show ring. I hear that the Finnish club will follow and maybe others will too.

This might be intended only to collect statistic information but even then it will – and must - make the judge at least conscious of the proportions he measures and this will and must oblige him to take this into account when grading the dogs and when motivating the grading.

We must however be aware of the need for correct and homogeneous measuring. Otherwise, measuring will not make sense and statistics will be irrelevant.

I’ve discussed this very issue a few weeks ago while judging a breed suitability test and showing that it is possible to measure a perfect ratio of 40/60 on a dog’s head while it was obvious that the dog had a too short muzzle

The ratio of 40/60 we discuss is said to be the ratio of the muzzle and the skull. The terminology muzzle / skull is in this context however not correct.

The topline of the head or in other words the length of the skull from the tip of the nose to the occipital bone, consists out of the muzzle or nasal bridge, the stop, the skull and the occipital bone.

Contrary to what some state, the stop is not a single defined point on the head but it is the area between where the skull starts and the muzzle ends.

The muzzle is the part of the head from nose to the eyes and the term “skull” refers to the topline of the brain case only, not including the area we call “stop”. Cynologic literature explicitly mentions that the length of “the stop” should not be included when assessing head proportions in skull to muzzle ratios.

The plexi-glass instrument we use to measure the head mentions a point “0” and from there it measures to the front and to the rear, or in other words it establishes two lengths, not three. As it therefore necessarily includes the length of the stop, it does not measure the muzzle/skull ratio in a strict sense and it would be better to say that it is meant to measure the ratio of the facial region as limited to the muzzle (from the “0” forwards towards the nose) and the cranial length (from the “0” to the rear towards the occipital protuberance) and including the stop.

Important is now where to place the “0”-point on the head.

If we just place it where the stop starts, then this is only relevant if this point is located where it is supposed to be, between the edges of the eye sockets and not, as is the case for all too many dogs, at the end of a deep furrow that reaches far behind the edge of the eye sockets and at the bottom of a too steep and high forehead. Starting to measure at such point, deep behind the eye sockets, may establish a perfect ratio of 1/1.5, especially in case of a very steep stop (which will “shorten” the length measured to the rear starting at the “0”), while the muzzle is in reality much too short.

Placing the “0” point at the height where the muzzle ends, this is : where the brows or frontal bones (supercillary arches) surround the eyes or in other words placing the “0” next to the inner eye corner, will be more correct and will moreover be a point to start measuring from that can be determined objectively and especially homogeneously, for all to see and with very little room for faults or personal interpretation.

This technical but very important issue will be on the agenda of the next IFR-Meeting of judges and might also be discussed in the margin of the IFR-Meeting of Breedwardens in July in Switzerland. It goes without saying that we will – even still today - search for the advise of the ADRK and that this advise will then be published and distributed amongst all Memberclubs with the request for a broad communication amongst their judges and breed wardens.

The Board of the IFR supports the initiative of the Norwegian club for the here above mentionned reasons.

Will this Norwegian initiative, if followed by all other clubs, bring an end to the negative deviation from the standard ? I don’t know but what I do know is that there are only very few solutions and one of those is making the judges aware of the proportions of the head of the dog and so making it possible and obligatory for them to judge these in the light of the standard.

There would not even be a problem if all judges would recognize the breed specific head and be willing to severely penalize deviating headforms and/of proportions.

If this proves to impossible, then there is an urgent need to decide on mandatory guidelines that cannot be neglected.

If I am allowed to state a mere personal thought on the issue, then formally confirming the ratio between the length of the muzzle and the upperskull to be 40 / 60 might be an option but not a solution. All judges are already today aware of this ratio and the mere fact of publishing it will not change anything and will not prevent further permissiveness or deviations due to tolerances and will therefore not take away the threat to the breed’s conformation and health. It would then be highly useful and opportune to at least define this ratio as an utter limit or for example to explicitly add that all deviations, even minor deviations, towards a shorter muzzle are to be severaly penalized while permissiveness may be shown for a somewhat longer muzzle for as long as it does not harm the breed specific expression. Deciding on another ratio like for example 45/55, which would not only give room for some toleration and would direct the Rottweiler’s head again towards its original definition and ensure a better respiratory health, would be another option and maybe a better one but more difficult to bring into practice and demanding a strong education about the breed specificness of the head, especially for the “younger” lovers of the breed who – with all respect – may never have seen the head as it used to be.

A clear definition of the correct and utter proportions in the FCI-breed standard might of course be the obvious solution, but then this is not our decision to take. The IFR is not the holder of the FCI-breed standard and its purpose and/or instruments do not and may not include intervening in the standard. Such is the prerogative, the exclusive right and responsibility, of the Mother Country of the breed (Germany) and all proposals to the FCI to adjust the standard must come from the VDH (Verband für das Deutsche Hundewesen), in all likelihood in consultation with Germany’s national breed clubs and probably even at their initiative.

Leading the Rottweiler towards a solution will be a heavy responsibility to bear but one that must be taken, well thought out … but the sooner the better. The entire Rottweiler world is waiting for this, with high expectations.

Awaiting this, I will strongly insist that the IFR will in its judge’s and breed warden’s seminars repeat and underline that the guideline of a 40/60 ratio must be understood as an utter limit with the emphasis on the dangers that result from permissive judging and/or further tolerations on this ratio.

I will also suggest the organisation of a poll concerning the willingness / intention of all Member Clubs to join the Norwegian initiative. More on this is to follow.

With friendly greetings,

Dirk Vandecasteele.

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