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**copied but well worth reading and sharing**The Twenty-Year Lie: How Hunting Argued Itself Into ExtinctionThe response ...
30/12/2025

**copied but well worth reading and sharing**

The Twenty-Year Lie: How Hunting Argued Itself Into Extinction
The response from pro-hunt groups to Labour Partyโ€™s announcement that it intends to ban trail hunting as part of its animal welfare reform agenda has triggered a spectacular, public crash out ๐Ÿ’ฅ. What has followed is not debate โŒ, not evidence โŒ, and not concern for rural life or animal welfare ๐ŸŒพ๐Ÿพ, but an undignified unraveling of a culture caught lying to itself and everyone else ๐Ÿคฅ. In the space of days, the masks have slipped entirely ๐ŸŽญโ€”revealing panic ๐Ÿ˜ฑ, entitlement ๐Ÿ‘‘, and a torrent of threats and contradictions that amount to an accidental confession ๐Ÿ“ข. Every hysterical claim, every shifting excuse, every doomsday warning about foxes ๐ŸฆŠ, farmers ๐Ÿšœ, hounds ๐Ÿ•, and horses ๐ŸŽ only reinforces the same truth: trail hunting was always a smokescreen ๐Ÿšฌ, the law was never respected โš–๏ธโŒ, and the outrage now erupting is the sound of a privileged minority realising that, at last, the impunity they relied on is being dragged into the light ๐Ÿ”ฆ.
There is something uniquely grotesque ๐Ÿคข about watching a movement argue itself into a corner it created, furnished, and then occupied for twenty years โณ. The pro-hunt lobbyโ€™s current rhetoric is not just dishonest; it is a rolling confession of guilt ๐Ÿšจ, dressed up as concern ๐Ÿ˜‡, tradition ๐Ÿฐ, and wounded entitlement ๐Ÿ˜ค.
Take the hysterical refrain that all the hounds and horses will have to be shot ๐Ÿ”ซ if hunting is finally, properly banned. This is not an argument against reform; it is an admission of reckless, deliberate over-breeding ๐Ÿงฌ. Hunts have had two decades since the ban to reduce hound numbers responsibly ๐Ÿ“‰. They did not โŒ. They chose excess ๐Ÿ“ˆ, because excess served the continuation of illegal hunting ๐Ÿšซ๐ŸฆŠ. That is not the fault of the law โš–๏ธ, nor of campaigners โœŠ, nor of the public ๐Ÿ‘ฅ. It is the direct consequence of their own choices ๐Ÿ”ฅ.
And the horses? ๐ŸŽ For years weโ€™ve been told the same story: weโ€™re only out for a lovely ride ๐ŸŒ„. Excellent ๐Ÿ‘. Now is the moment to prove it โฑ๏ธ. Horses can hack ๐ŸŽ, compete ๐Ÿ†, and be used for leisure, therapy, farming, and recreation ๐ŸŒฑโ€”just like millions of others across the country ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง. The suggestion that their only possible fate is death unless foxes are hunted by packs of dogs is absurd ๐Ÿคก, manipulative ๐ŸŽญ, and frankly insulting to anyone who actually understands equine welfare ๐Ÿง ๐Ÿด.
Then thereโ€™s the fox population mythโ€”numbers need controlling ๐ŸฆŠ๐Ÿ“Š. Do they? ๐Ÿค” Where is the evidence? ๐Ÿ“š Where are the peer-reviewed ecological studies proving an urgent, national fox crisis that can only be solved by chasing animals to exhaustion with dogs? ๐Ÿ•๐Ÿ’จ None are produced โŒ. None are cited โŒ. And even if such evidence existed, it would immediately collide with the huntโ€™s other favourite lie: weโ€™ve been trail hunting for 20 years ๐Ÿ›ค๏ธ. You cannot simultaneously claim that foxes must be controlled by hunting while insisting you have not been hunting foxes at all ๐Ÿ”. Pick one ๐ŸŽฏ. You canโ€™t have both without admitting youโ€™ve been lying ๐Ÿคฅ.
The same contradiction infects the landowner scare stories ๐Ÿšœ๐Ÿ˜ฑ. We are told that farmers only tolerate foxes because of the hunt, and that without it theyโ€™ll wipe them out en masse ๐Ÿ’€๐ŸฆŠ. Againโ€”why would that be the case if hunts have been trail hunting all this time? ๐Ÿคจ Why would fox tolerance be dependent on a practice that supposedly hasnโ€™t involved foxes for two decades? โณ These arguments donโ€™t just fail; they collapse under their own weight ๐Ÿงฑ๐Ÿ’ฅ.
And that brings us to the core issue: credibility ๐Ÿงพ. Why should society grant any platform, sympathy, or legitimacy to a group that has spent twenty years breaking the law at scale? ๐Ÿš” Illegal hunting, evidence tampering ๐Ÿ—‚๏ธ, intimidation ๐Ÿ‘Š, money laundering structures ๐Ÿ’ท, routine dishonesty ๐Ÿคฅ, and contempt for regulation โš–๏ธโŒ are not unfortunate side-effectsโ€”they are foundational behaviours ๐Ÿงฑ. These are not good-faith actors engaging in debate ๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ. They are criminals demanding consideration ๐Ÿšจ.
Worse still, the damage has not been confined to wildlife ๐ŸฆŠ๐ŸฆŒ. Ordinary peopleโ€”hunt saboteurs โœŠ, monitors ๐Ÿ‘€, local residents ๐Ÿกโ€”have been forced to put their lives on hold โธ๏ธ to confront this lawlessness. Living in a hunting area while opposing its cruelty is to live half a life ๐Ÿ’”: always waiting โณ, watching ๐Ÿ‘๏ธ, worrying ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ. Always wondering which fox didnโ€™t make it home today ๐ŸฆŠโ“. Always bracing for intimidation ๐Ÿ˜ , violence ๐Ÿ’ฅ, or abuse ๐Ÿ—ฏ๏ธ from a group that believes opposition to their hobby is an affront to their birthright ๐Ÿ‘‘.
And that beliefโ€”that they have a god-given right to behave however they chooseโ€”runs through every threat they make โšก.
Let us get our own way or weโ€™ll kill all the foxes ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐ŸฆŠ
Let us get our own way or the hounds and horses will die ๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ•๐ŸŽ
Let us get our own wayโ€”youโ€™re stupid townies ๐Ÿ™๏ธ๐Ÿคก
Let us get our own wayโ€”we grow the food ๐ŸŒพ
Let us get our own wayโ€”itโ€™s our land ๐Ÿž๏ธ
Let us get our own wayโ€”itโ€™s tradition ๐Ÿฐ
This is not reasoned argument ๐Ÿง โŒ. It is coercion โš ๏ธ. It is the tantrum of a privileged minority accustomed to deference and furious that it is evaporating ๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ’จ.
Then come the desperate deflections ๐Ÿชƒ: halal slaughter ๐Ÿ‘, dog walking bans ๐Ÿ•๐Ÿšซ, class war โš”๏ธ, roadkill statistics ๐Ÿš—๐ŸฆŒ, sheep myths ๐Ÿ‘, fallen stock fantasies ๐Ÿ’€, chickens ๐Ÿ“, urban foxes ๐Ÿ™๏ธ๐ŸฆŠ, dead livestock piling up in fields ๐ŸงŸโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐ŸŒพ. Each one wheeled out, discarded, and replaced the moment it fails โ™ป๏ธโ€”because none of them address the central truth: hunting with hounds was banned, and they never stopped ๐Ÿšซ๐ŸฆŠ.
Every one of these arguments simply confirms what campaigners have said for twenty years ๐Ÿ“ฃ. You werenโ€™t misunderstood โŒ. You werenโ€™t unfairly treated โŒ. You werenโ€™t engaging in a lawful pastime โŒ. You were lyingโ€”continuously, strategically, and arrogantly ๐Ÿคฅ๐ŸŽฏ.
What makes this final phase so uncomfortable to watch ๐Ÿ˜ฌ is the contrast. While the hunting lobby has stagnatedโ€”recycling the same threats and insults ๐Ÿ”โ€”those who opposed them grew up ๐ŸŒฑ. People built lives ๐Ÿก, families ๐Ÿ‘จโ€๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€๐Ÿ‘ง, businesses ๐Ÿ’ผ, qualifications ๐ŸŽ“, networks ๐ŸŒ. They learned the law โš–๏ธ. They gathered evidence ๐Ÿ“‚. They refined tactics ๐Ÿง . They endured violence ๐Ÿ’ฅ, harassment ๐Ÿ˜ , police bias ๐Ÿš“โŒ, and judicial prejudice โš–๏ธโŒ. And they kept going ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™€๏ธโ€”not out of jealousy ๐Ÿ™„, not out of boredom ๐Ÿ˜ด, but out of loyalty to the animals torn apart for entertainment ๐Ÿ’”๐ŸฆŠ.
Grassroots movements do not win by entitlement ๐Ÿ‘‘โŒ. They win by persistence ๐Ÿ”. By truth ๐Ÿ“–. By growth ๐ŸŒฑ. And despite everything thrown at themโ€”every smear ๐Ÿงผ, every assault ๐Ÿ‘Š, every sneer ๐Ÿ˜’โ€”this one did exactly that ๐Ÿ’ช.
Now, at last, the masks have slipped ๐ŸŽญ. Everyone can see what hunting with hounds really is ๐Ÿ‘๏ธ. People are holding their noses ๐Ÿคข, not because campaigners smell, but because the stench of this practice has become unbearable ๐Ÿฆจ.
The flush has been pulled ๐Ÿšฝ.
And this time, there is no lie left to cling to as it disappears forever ๐ŸŒŠ.

30/12/2025

๐—›๐˜‚๐—ป๐˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐—ผ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜‚๐—ฟ๐˜€ ๐—”๐˜€๐˜€๐—ผ๐—ฐ๐—ถ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป: ๐—จ๐—ฟ๐—ด๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜ ๐—”๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—น ๐—™๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐—œ๐—ป๐—ณ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป

In the run-up to Boxing Day, the HSA received persistent, credible reports of recent videos and images showing criminal hunting activity being circulated on social media and pro-hunting WhatsApp groups.

We understand that one video shows a bagged fox โ€“ with rope tied to her leg โ€“ being released in front of hounds. Another image shows an identifiable huntsman throwing a live fox to the hounds.

๐™’๐™š ๐™ช๐™ง๐™œ๐™š ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™ฎ๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™š ๐™ž๐™ฃ ๐™ฅ๐™ค๐™จ๐™จ๐™š๐™จ๐™จ๐™ž๐™ค๐™ฃ ๐™ค๐™› ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š๐™จ๐™š ๐™ซ๐™ž๐™™๐™š๐™ค๐™จ โ€“ ๐™ค๐™ง ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™ฎ ๐™ค๐™ฉ๐™๐™š๐™ง ๐™จ๐™ช๐™˜๐™ ๐™ข๐™–๐™ฉ๐™š๐™ง๐™ž๐™–๐™ก โ€“ ๐™ฉ๐™ค ๐™จ๐™š๐™ฃ๐™™ ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š๐™ข ๐™ฉ๐™ค ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™ƒ๐™Ž๐˜ผ.

Read the full post ๐Ÿ‘‰ https://www.huntsabs.org.uk/hunt-saboteurs-association-urgent-appeal-for-information

29/12/2025
23/12/2025

The Twenty-Year Lie: How Hunting Argued Itself Into Extinction

The response from pro-hunt groups to Labour Partyโ€™s announcement that it intends to ban trail hunting as part of its animal welfare reform agenda has triggered a spectacular, public crash out ๐Ÿ’ฅ. What has followed is not debate โŒ, not evidence โŒ, and not concern for rural life or animal welfare ๐ŸŒพ๐Ÿพ, but an undignified unraveling of a culture caught lying to itself and everyone else ๐Ÿคฅ. In the space of days, the masks have slipped entirely ๐ŸŽญโ€”revealing panic ๐Ÿ˜ฑ, entitlement ๐Ÿ‘‘, and a torrent of threats and contradictions that amount to an accidental confession ๐Ÿ“ข. Every hysterical claim, every shifting excuse, every doomsday warning about foxes ๐ŸฆŠ, farmers ๐Ÿšœ, hounds ๐Ÿ•, and horses ๐ŸŽ only reinforces the same truth: trail hunting was always a smokescreen ๐Ÿšฌ, the law was never respected โš–๏ธโŒ, and the outrage now erupting is the sound of a privileged minority realising that, at last, the impunity they relied on is being dragged into the light ๐Ÿ”ฆ.

There is something uniquely grotesque ๐Ÿคข about watching a movement argue itself into a corner it created, furnished, and then occupied for twenty years โณ. The pro-hunt lobbyโ€™s current rhetoric is not just dishonest; it is a rolling confession of guilt ๐Ÿšจ, dressed up as concern ๐Ÿ˜‡, tradition ๐Ÿฐ, and wounded entitlement ๐Ÿ˜ค.

Take the hysterical refrain that all the hounds and horses will have to be shot ๐Ÿ”ซ if hunting is finally, properly banned. This is not an argument against reform; it is an admission of reckless, deliberate over-breeding ๐Ÿงฌ. Hunts have had two decades since the ban to reduce hound numbers responsibly ๐Ÿ“‰. They did not โŒ. They chose excess ๐Ÿ“ˆ, because excess served the continuation of illegal hunting ๐Ÿšซ๐ŸฆŠ. That is not the fault of the law โš–๏ธ, nor of campaigners โœŠ, nor of the public ๐Ÿ‘ฅ. It is the direct consequence of their own choices ๐Ÿ”ฅ.

And the horses? ๐ŸŽ For years weโ€™ve been told the same story: weโ€™re only out for a lovely ride ๐ŸŒ„. Excellent ๐Ÿ‘. Now is the moment to prove it โฑ๏ธ. Horses can hack ๐ŸŽ, compete ๐Ÿ†, and be used for leisure, therapy, farming, and recreation ๐ŸŒฑโ€”just like millions of others across the country ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง. The suggestion that their only possible fate is death unless foxes are hunted by packs of dogs is absurd ๐Ÿคก, manipulative ๐ŸŽญ, and frankly insulting to anyone who actually understands equine welfare ๐Ÿง ๐Ÿด.

Then thereโ€™s the fox population mythโ€”numbers need controlling ๐ŸฆŠ๐Ÿ“Š. Do they? ๐Ÿค” Where is the evidence? ๐Ÿ“š Where are the peer-reviewed ecological studies proving an urgent, national fox crisis that can only be solved by chasing animals to exhaustion with dogs? ๐Ÿ•๐Ÿ’จ None are produced โŒ. None are cited โŒ. And even if such evidence existed, it would immediately collide with the huntโ€™s other favourite lie: weโ€™ve been trail hunting for 20 years ๐Ÿ›ค๏ธ. You cannot simultaneously claim that foxes must be controlled by hunting while insisting you have not been hunting foxes at all ๐Ÿ”. Pick one ๐ŸŽฏ. You canโ€™t have both without admitting youโ€™ve been lying ๐Ÿคฅ.

The same contradiction infects the landowner scare stories ๐Ÿšœ๐Ÿ˜ฑ. We are told that farmers only tolerate foxes because of the hunt, and that without it theyโ€™ll wipe them out en masse ๐Ÿ’€๐ŸฆŠ. Againโ€”why would that be the case if hunts have been trail hunting all this time? ๐Ÿคจ Why would fox tolerance be dependent on a practice that supposedly hasnโ€™t involved foxes for two decades? โณ These arguments donโ€™t just fail; they collapse under their own weight ๐Ÿงฑ๐Ÿ’ฅ.

And that brings us to the core issue: credibility ๐Ÿงพ. Why should society grant any platform, sympathy, or legitimacy to a group that has spent twenty years breaking the law at scale? ๐Ÿš” Illegal hunting, evidence tampering ๐Ÿ—‚๏ธ, intimidation ๐Ÿ‘Š, money laundering structures ๐Ÿ’ท, routine dishonesty ๐Ÿคฅ, and contempt for regulation โš–๏ธโŒ are not unfortunate side-effectsโ€”they are foundational behaviours ๐Ÿงฑ. These are not good-faith actors engaging in debate ๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ. They are criminals demanding consideration ๐Ÿšจ.

Worse still, the damage has not been confined to wildlife ๐ŸฆŠ๐ŸฆŒ. Ordinary peopleโ€”hunt saboteurs โœŠ, monitors ๐Ÿ‘€, local residents ๐Ÿกโ€”have been forced to put their lives on hold โธ๏ธ to confront this lawlessness. Living in a hunting area while opposing its cruelty is to live half a life ๐Ÿ’”: always waiting โณ, watching ๐Ÿ‘๏ธ, worrying ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ. Always wondering which fox didnโ€™t make it home today ๐ŸฆŠโ“. Always bracing for intimidation ๐Ÿ˜ , violence ๐Ÿ’ฅ, or abuse ๐Ÿ—ฏ๏ธ from a group that believes opposition to their hobby is an affront to their birthright ๐Ÿ‘‘.

And that beliefโ€”that they have a god-given right to behave however they chooseโ€”runs through every threat they make โšก.

Let us get our own way or weโ€™ll kill all the foxes ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐ŸฆŠ
Let us get our own way or the hounds and horses will die ๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ•๐ŸŽ
Let us get our own wayโ€”youโ€™re stupid townies ๐Ÿ™๏ธ๐Ÿคก
Let us get our own wayโ€”we grow the food ๐ŸŒพ
Let us get our own wayโ€”itโ€™s our land ๐Ÿž๏ธ
Let us get our own wayโ€”itโ€™s tradition ๐Ÿฐ

This is not reasoned argument ๐Ÿง โŒ. It is coercion โš ๏ธ. It is the tantrum of a privileged minority accustomed to deference and furious that it is evaporating ๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ’จ.

Then come the desperate deflections ๐Ÿชƒ: halal slaughter ๐Ÿ‘, dog walking bans ๐Ÿ•๐Ÿšซ, class war โš”๏ธ, roadkill statistics ๐Ÿš—๐ŸฆŒ, sheep myths ๐Ÿ‘, fallen stock fantasies ๐Ÿ’€, chickens ๐Ÿ“, urban foxes ๐Ÿ™๏ธ๐ŸฆŠ, dead livestock piling up in fields ๐ŸงŸโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐ŸŒพ. Each one wheeled out, discarded, and replaced the moment it fails โ™ป๏ธโ€”because none of them address the central truth: hunting with hounds was banned, and they never stopped ๐Ÿšซ๐ŸฆŠ.

Every one of these arguments simply confirms what campaigners have said for twenty years ๐Ÿ“ฃ. You werenโ€™t misunderstood โŒ. You werenโ€™t unfairly treated โŒ. You werenโ€™t engaging in a lawful pastime โŒ. You were lyingโ€”continuously, strategically, and arrogantly ๐Ÿคฅ๐ŸŽฏ.

What makes this final phase so uncomfortable to watch ๐Ÿ˜ฌ is the contrast. While the hunting lobby has stagnatedโ€”recycling the same threats and insults ๐Ÿ”โ€”those who opposed them grew up ๐ŸŒฑ. People built lives ๐Ÿก, families ๐Ÿ‘จโ€๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€๐Ÿ‘ง, businesses ๐Ÿ’ผ, qualifications ๐ŸŽ“, networks ๐ŸŒ. They learned the law โš–๏ธ. They gathered evidence ๐Ÿ“‚. They refined tactics ๐Ÿง . They endured violence ๐Ÿ’ฅ, harassment ๐Ÿ˜ , police bias ๐Ÿš“โŒ, and judicial prejudice โš–๏ธโŒ. And they kept going ๐Ÿƒโ€โ™€๏ธโ€”not out of jealousy ๐Ÿ™„, not out of boredom ๐Ÿ˜ด, but out of loyalty to the animals torn apart for entertainment ๐Ÿ’”๐ŸฆŠ.

Grassroots movements do not win by entitlement ๐Ÿ‘‘โŒ. They win by persistence ๐Ÿ”. By truth ๐Ÿ“–. By growth ๐ŸŒฑ. And despite everything thrown at themโ€”every smear ๐Ÿงผ, every assault ๐Ÿ‘Š, every sneer ๐Ÿ˜’โ€”this one did exactly that ๐Ÿ’ช.

Now, at last, the masks have slipped ๐ŸŽญ. Everyone can see what hunting with hounds really is ๐Ÿ‘๏ธ. People are holding their noses ๐Ÿคข, not because campaigners smell, but because the stench of this practice has become unbearable ๐Ÿฆจ.

The flush has been pulled ๐Ÿšฝ.

And this time, there is no lie left to cling to as it disappears forever ๐ŸŒŠ.

๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
22/12/2025

๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Farmers want the public to support them, but over 80% of the country hate fox hunting, time for farmers to stand up agai...
21/12/2025

Farmers want the public to support them, but over 80% of the country hate fox hunting, time for farmers to stand up against fox hunting if they want the support of the public

๐ŸฆŠ BAN TRAIL HUNTINGโ€ฆ BUT โ€œSUPPORT FARMERSโ€? LETโ€™S TALK ABOUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE FIELD ๐Ÿšœ

The government says it will ban trail hunting ๐Ÿ‡๐Ÿ• โ€” while simultaneously talking about โ€œsupport for farmersโ€.
At first glance, that sounds contradictory.

It isnโ€™t.
What it exposes is a long-standing lie.

๐Ÿ” Hunting does NOT survive on tradition. It survives on permission.

Hunts only exist because:
๐ŸŒพ Farmers allow access to their land
๐ŸŽ Farmers ride with hunts
๐Ÿ“ Farmers host meets
๐Ÿค Farmers turn a blind eye

Without that cooperation, hunts collapse overnight.

๐Ÿ’ก Farming does not require hunting. Hunting requires farmers.

For decades, hunts have hidden behind farming โ€” dressing blood sport up as:
โŒ โ€œland managementโ€
โŒ โ€œpest controlโ€
โŒ โ€œrural heritageโ€

None of it stands up to scrutiny.

๐Ÿงฑ Trail hunting has been the last fig leaf
A convenient excuse.
A legal smokescreen.
A way to say โ€œit was an accidentโ€ when hounds kill.

๐Ÿšซ Remove trail hunting โ€” and the excuses disappear.

โš–๏ธ What this really means
If trail hunting is banned:
โ€ข There is no deniability
โ€ข Landowners become accountable
โ€ข โ€œWe didnโ€™t knowโ€ no longer works
โ€ข Public money canโ€™t quietly subsidise cruelty

๐Ÿพ This is the moment of choice
Farmers can be:
โœ”๏ธ Food producers
โœ”๏ธ Environmental stewards
โœ”๏ธ Recipients of public support

OR
โŒ Enablers of illegal wildlife persecution

They cannot be both.

๐Ÿ”ฅ Thatโ€™s why hunts are panicking
Because once the camouflage is gone, the truth is visible:
Hunting isnโ€™t rural life.
Itโ€™s a leisure cult dependent on access, silence, and complicity.

๐ŸฆŠ SWARM says this clearly
End the smokescreens.
End the permissions.
End the cruelty.

The countryside does not belong to hunts.
And it never did.

๐Ÿ

They have had over 20 years to learn how to trail hunt, this is all down to them and their governing bodies. YOU SABBED ...
21/12/2025

They have had over 20 years to learn how to trail hunt, this is all down to them and their governing bodies.

YOU SABBED YOURSELVES

Trail hunting sees a scent laid out for the hunt to follow rather than a real animal, and was introduced as a replacement for fox hunting, which was banned by Labour in 2004

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