A P Goatman

A P Goatman Specialist in the humane destruction and disposal of equines, farm and exotic animals
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Specilist in the humane distruction and disposal of Equines, Farm and Exoitic animals

Equines and losing their herd mates. Most equines don’t process death in the same way we do, but its important to unders...
16/01/2025

Equines and losing their herd mates.
Most equines don’t process death in the same way we do, but its important to understand how they look at it.
Firstly its they way they understand it, they can watch it but it does not mean much, it’s the smell that tells them. So horses should be allowed to smell their departed friend, this is two part, firstly its for them to work out they have died, second part is they will be smelling for adrenalin and endorphins. Generally animals don’t fear death but they fear pain and the process of dying, which if most people are honest is the same for us, most people don’t fear death it’s the getting there, when its your time most people just hope its instant or they go in their sleep, animals are often the same.
You can put a horse down with another one watching and they will often finish their bucket of food before they go to investigate why their mate is laying down. Then they smell a lot around the dead one and if there is no adrenalin or endorphins then they died quickly and were not attacked, so nothing to worry about, even though they saw it the nose overrides all other senses, (hence why horses dislike the wind, stops them smelling in one direction)
So how do we help the horses, ponies etc accept the death of a herd member.
Time is the most important thing, giving them long enough to investigate.
The best thing is to put down the horse in an area that’s safe to let their heard mates into afterwards loose.
This is because some horses run “tests” to check they are dead, this will involve walking in arcs up to them, running away in short bursts (trying to get a flight response) grazing next to dead ones head, pawing with hooves, sometimes biting. If there is some blood they will often put on their nose or taste it, again checking for adrenalin or endorphins to ensure that they are safe and it was not a lion hiding in hedge that killed it. They will then walk away grazing and return about 3 times, after this they accept it and just walk away.
The time it takes varies on the position in herd of the one that’s dies, (one that has been pushed out of herd due to being ill the others will only take 20min to accept as they were expecting it, on other hand if it’s the leader of herd that unexpectedly died, accident etc, it takes far longer as no one is giving instructions so the upset is 2 fold this might take a hour and a half to accept whilst sniffing)
Also the breed is big factor, Shetland ponies for example only take a few minutes (they appear hard and uncaring often due to this) where a thoroughbred or Arab takes on average 45min to accept.
Leading a horse up to dead one tends to slow process down or sometimes they don’t understand at all as they will try to feed of body language of the one who’s leading them and we are not good at horse body language. If there is no choice due to are its still better then not showing them at all but its best done with long lead rope and keeping it as loose as possible to allow the horse to jump around as remember this is partly how they work it out.
The more horses in the herd the quicker they will figure out that’s one died but its nothing to worry about as they will look to each other.
Some special cases, donkeys are terrible at being so attached they one died they will pine to death, so they need another animal for company when their mate goes and we find they should have a least 12 hours with their deceased friend, this is why when we put down donkeys we recommend they we put it down one day and we will come back next day to collect, even trough this means 2 trips.
Mares when they lose their foals (or if foal pts ) again if we have put foal down and you are not going to foster mother then its best to do it and leave foal in stable for example where mother has free access, it can take her up to 48hr to realize her foal is dead and not just sleeping at which time she will bury it and its then safe to remove it without causing any upset.
All of this is why we allow at least a hour and a half for every horse we are putting down but are prepared to wait even longer if needed, 2 part it ensure the euthanasia is never rushed so we can ensure its instant and best as it can be but also the grieving process is vital to any other horse that are part of hear if they were attached. And the more time they have with their field mate who passed on the better.
If you have very closely bonded herd I’m always happy to discuss what’s the best way not only for the one who’s going but also for what’s best for their companions.
This photo shows a group of horses checking out their sadly deceased field mate, no stress just working it out and accepting it.

*edit*
I will add that the times I have said are different horse to horse and it's the time it takes them to normally understand the their friend has died and not just injured or sleeping.
Once they accept this they will then start to greve, like people some horses will take a few hour, some a few days and some a couple of weeks to get over a major change to their herd. But it's much better when they know what's happening to the other option my friend is missing and they will keep looking sometimes for months..

04/11/2024

As we are getting to that time of year, where many off us have to make the unfortunate decision for our old horses, through a hard decision its knowing when it right from them and letting them go with dignity. Its better a week too soon then a day too late. Horse by their nature think there are predators everywbere, there only defence if to run. This is why they get so distressed when trapped if they cant get up. They expect to be attacked by something with teeth.

We specialise in the humane euthanasia of horses and ponies, but we also can still collect if the horse dies on its own or if vet has put down.

We do 3 options for afterwards if you require us to take away or we can just do the putting down if you are going to burry them.

The first 2 options, the standard option (co-incineration) And a individual cremation option with all the ashes returned in a casket are available if a natural death or if vet or myself puts down, we have a third option our green option (used for zoos) but thats only available if we do the pts.

We keep photographic proof of all indivual cremations so you can be assured that its done in accordance with your wishes. And gives yourselves proof cremation has been done correctly, as we are aware of some other firms that have not been doingg what they are are supposed to, all geninue firms offer photographic or video proof, we know most people would noot wish to see them but photos are kept for 2 years, incase in future someone bad questions.

We always try to make this difficult time as easy as possible.

We cover devon, cornwall, somerset and dorset.

Any enquires please call or whatsapp 07870 934068, you can also message me or email [email protected].

25/06/2024

Just a small request, those people who have used my services and are happy with the service please share and comment, nearly all my work comes via recommendation from others.
I know not everyone likes how I do job, but I try to do my best and put the horse first at the end.

I offer three options if you wish me to collect,

A green option (used for zoos (only available to horses I'm putting down)

A standard option (co-incineration) so nothing back but horse is not used for anything

And lastly a individual cremation option with ashes returned, we have our own machine and can ensure the utmost care is taken throughout process. Photographic proof is taken on all individual cremations and stored incase there are ever any concerns.

If anyone has any questions or queries please contact me
07870 934068
[email protected]
Thanks .

18/02/2024

Had some people concerned or don't like fact I do a green option (horses used for zoos) and worried that their horse might go that way when they want them cremated, I only do what people want , and some like the circle of life idea. But if you want it cremated it will be. Two of other large firms localy that offer cremations only somehow also manage to supply horse to hunt kennels and zoos . As they don't offer a green option I do wander where they get the horse meat from. You can guess. I find by giving all the options it makes it fair and correct for the owner, I never lie, what you want is what you get. All individual cremations are photographed in machine before and afterwards and are available if a owner wishes to see them. All genuine firms tend to do this. You get all the ashes back and for example a 16hh horse is about 25 liters of ash, and this comes back in a casket of your choice. If anyone has concerns please just ask. Don't slag me off because I offer more options, and tell others don't use me because I do a option you don't agree with, the firm they were recommending instead is known to supply horse meat as well, its just they don't tell anyone. Instead if you have concerns find out if you can have a video, photos or even watch the cremation, if they say yes then all good, if they say no then unfortunately you may not be getting your horse back. I always do it correctly, just wish everyone in trade told truth and did the same. I won't mention names of firms who we know have in past have lied about doing cremations but all can say is who ever you use the genuine offer proof in way of photos etc, the ones that are not genuine tend to just fob off with a certificate (anyone can print that). So if some has concerns or questions about what I do please just ask, I will always answer, also please when booking check my number on Internet for example as I have had twice in past people pretending to be me just to get the work,

Address

4 The Village
South Brent
TQ109NH

Telephone

+447870934068

Website

https://equinecremationservices.co.uk/

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