October Glory Standard Poodles

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October Glory Standard Poodles

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04/23/2023

Let's talk about the things that many breeders pass up and miss and don't want to talk about when they are considering what poodles they are breeding.
Those things are snouts, ears, paws, and tails.

I see so many poodles out there with flawed structure that clearly has never been worked on in a line. Everyone is always so focused on the main body structure that they forget about the small bodily things that also matter. The structure of these things make a big difference as well in the natural appearance of poodles.

*Many standard poodles have extremely narrow muzzles which typically result in narrow-based canines teeth or worse a wry mouth and some have muzzles that are huge in boxy.
-The muzzle should be tapered and of nice proportion. Not too narrow and not too wide. Not too long and not too short.
*Many standard poodles have ears that are too small, too triangular and too low or high sitting.
-The corners of the ears where they meet the head as well as the corners of the eyes should line up with each other in the ears should be wide enough across the leather and long enough from the base of the ear to the tip of the ear to basically mask the dog's face if you put their ears together on the front of their face. The goal would be for the tips of the ears to meet the tip of the nose in this case. If the ears are too short this will not be possible.
*Many standard poodles have large flat paws with bear feet.
-the paws should be compact, square (even)and neat. Almost cat-like but not quite. They should not be flat and gigantic like a bear paw.
*Many standard poodles have curled, gay or kinked tails.
-The structure of the tail should be high set on the rear straight up like a flagpole and the tip should typically be even with the occiput of the skull when in a proper stack position. On natural tails there would be a natural arch in the tail when erect in a proper stack and that is normal but it should not be severely or tightly curled or curled much at all especially if the tail is relaxed. If the tail looks like a roller coaster track loop it's very incorrect, and so many breeders are not even aware of the structure that their dog actually has in their tail because their tails are typically docked off at 3 days of age so there's no way of knowing how bad the tail structure actually was.
As we know puppy bones are not yet fused nor fully developed yet so the bones were never able to set or harden during this time. One litter can have a variety of physical traits in it. Some puppies might have nice relaxed tails that are straight and some puppies might have tightly curled tails but with the tail being docked off almost halfway that takes a lot of the tail off where most of the structural fault would take place. And that is the problem. Traditionally poodles are docked in a show dock or a long dock. The long dock is technically more correct by standard whereas a show dock as the name suggests is for show and is typically actually too short.
When a breeder has the tail docked to "show" length it is nearly half the tail that is taken off. It's about a third of the tail usually where the curl would be if there is one. With a long dock only a fourth is taken off leaving a slightly longer and more correct length. But The curl would be slightly more obvious if there was one.

All of these things are POOR STRUCTURE and should not be reproduced or bred. So if you are breeding poodles with these traits and you are aware of that then you are purposely breeding poodles with structural flaws...

I see many breeders constantly preaching about ethical breeding practices and breeding properly and pairing dogs properly for certain traits or health but even they forget about these small things that make a big difference in the appearance of a poodle. Most of them just hide it with big poofy hair, an ok stacked pic, and docking the tail off. Those things don't fix the issue they only hide them. So the next time you want to talk about someone else's poodles be sure you look at your own first and ask yourself, "what am I really reproducing in this line or breed?"
Let's not forget about those ewe necks, low set tails and ears and sloped haunches 👀

That being said, that is highly unethical.
And anyone who says those things are not as big a deal as other things when breeding, I hope you don't use that excuse for other things in breeding. Everything has to be taken into consideration to be considered ethical. So if you're missing something like these structural flaws don't call yourself an ethical breeder if you're knowingly contributing these flaws to the breed because that is literally unethical. It is just as unethical as breeding a known disease or major structural flaw like a wry mouth for example.
Please beware
please be knowledgeable
please be responsible.

You're supposed to better the breed, right? not keep flaws going?... 🤔 (And bettering the breed is a whole other conversation after this lol iykyk)
Food for thought 💭

01/23/2023

*Our opinion on removal of body parts (docking tails and removing dewclaws).

I always see the excuse when it comes to removing dewclaws or tails on puppies that it's to prevent them from being caught on things or snagged or broken etcetera. But that is totally illogical. Now let's use that logic on other parts of the body. Well your regular toes might get caught on things, or get broken, stubbed on the corner of a wall or worse, stepped on by something bigger than your foot, so let's just remove the toes in general so there's no risk to the toes, and while we're at it let's also remove the legs which can easily be broken or degloved and god forbid if the dog falls off the couch or heaven forbid a balcony or porch and breaks its legs or ribs. Heck lets remove the ribs too to prevent injury. Don't want those accidently broken either.
Ok now whats left?
Hmm....not much. Well let's just "prevent injury" some more and just kill the dog to begin with.. there, now there is no risk at all to the dog...
Whats that? Thats ridiculous?

But its literally the same logic as with tails being removed(docked) and dewclaws being removed at a few days old without anesthetic. Some people have claimed that the puppies do not feel their tails being cut off or their dew claws being cut off. That is so far from the truth it is ridiculous. If a puppy does not react that doesn't mean it does not feel what's happening. The very few times that my puppies were docked and their dew claws removed, they screamed in pure puppy agony. Did you even know that most dogs will not express pain by means of crying and making noise like a human because they are dogs and not humans so if they are in fact crying it must really freaking hurt. Have you ever had your thumb or your tailbone cut off? No? Why on earth not? There is so much risk to those things... what's that? you only do that to puppies? What? Its for show? What? You do know that they do not have to have their tails or dew claws cut off to be in the show ring right? And yeah that includes AKC shows contrary to belief...thats an old belief and look what excessive docking has done to the natural tail of a breed that SHOULD have a straight tail...horrible curls, even kinks....should never be that way...those curls are painful, ever touched one? I have, the dog screamed in pain when the tail was slightly uncurled by its owner...during a groom to brush the hair on its tail. And no it wasn't cuz the dog was overly sensitive or bad for grooming. The dogs tail was so tightly curled the ligaments couldn't straighten....that is a GIANT STRUCTURAL FAULT in any breed. Something that is purposely done and causes an animal pain is totally unethical. People need to concentrate on straightening these tails and you cannot do that if you cut them off because then you do not even know if the tail would curl naturally or if it would be straight naturally because it's no longer there to see. That's why I do not dock anymore cuz I'm actually trying to improve that in the breed and again you cannot improve that without seeing it for yourself.
But hey let's just cut it all off and have no more risk of "getting caught on things".

Like, you do realize that life and being alive in the world is a risk every single day for your entire body and not just a little tiny dewclaws on puppies or their tails right?

Now I am not saying never ever dock the tails of a breed that traditionally was docked (for working purposes in the field where most no longer work) but you need to think about why you are doing it because saying "its for show or to prevent injiry" is severely outdated and incorrect and illogical in the 21st century, and what could potentially happen if you do it. Like what are you contributing to the breeds tail structure if you don't even know what kind of tails you are producing because you just hack them off at birth? Every breeder out there needs to be considering this because creating a structural fault, including something that is normally cut off and you would not normally see it, is still unethical as a breeder. It's literally by definition, unethical to produce structural faults. A curled tail on a poodle is a structural fault! Doesn't matter how you try to justify it, breeders need to be bettering things instead of making them worse.

Do you know what logic is?
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Again, I'm not against docking or dew claws removal. Do whatever you want with your pups. But you need to look further ahead in the future for the breed if you claim to love it so much and you claim to be improving it yet you're contributing to structural faults. You need to know what you are producing 100% not 97%. You only know that if you leave the Tails natural from each pair breeding at least. I recommend doing it with the very first litter when combining two dogs. If you breed a female with a straight tail to another male with a straight tail the puppies should have straight tails. But if you've bred that same female to another male with a docked tail and you don't know what the tail structure would have been from that line and half the puppies have horrible curls and the other half have nice straight tails there is obviously a problem there. A structural one. Those are the facts of the matter so you need to consider that when you pair dogs together. I always see people talking about "the dogs have to compliment each other" and stuff but they never ever ever ever ever consider the tails structure because they are simply docked off.
As a breeder I cannot imagine doing that personally. I learned quickly that it should not be that way. Over docking has caused this problem in poodles Tails so we need to fix it. It Is literally up to us breeders to correct this. Leave them natural at least for the first litter of two dogs combined and see what those two dogs have produced first and then the next litter you can dock if it's the same parents if you so choose, but please....for the love of the breed leave a pairs first litter natural and see what they produce first! That's how it should be done. That is the ethical way to correct a fault like that.

Now I know what some of you must be thinking... well I do all the health testing and my dogs have titles and blah blah blah the tail is the least bit important... I'm sorry but that statement is unethical because the tail is part of the dog and you're still producing a structural fault which is literally unethical so I don't care how many titles your dog has and I don't care what health testing they have. That does not mean anything when it comes to structure. Any dog can get a title if they are going at it long enough and happen to have the right judge that day. We all know how showing works. We all know how political I can get and we all know how easy it is to forget the important things like structure of something that is cut off and forgotten about. I wonder how many showchampions have horrible structure in their tail but you wouldn't see it because they are docked. I bet if it was left natural they wouldn't be Champions half the time. LOL but that's my opinion. Take it however you want this is the truth of the matter. The ugly truth and an unpopular opinion but someone has to say it and I'm glad to be the One to say it. Removing something just because it's an inconvenience is not a logical reason to remove something from someone else's body. Especially when it's contributing to faults. If you are a breeder and you say that a tail structure does not matter just because they can be cut off and forgotten about you should not be breeding...plain and simple...take your horrible tail structure elsewhere. Thanks.

P.s. I came to this conclusion on my own after my very first litter of poodles which yes I foolishly docked and removed the dew claws as it was recommended by supposed reputable breeders... I have since learned that is very wrong in so many ways and I hope others can think about it harder than the hearsay and learn for the better as well. You have to think about the future Generations not the ones you're seeing right now. That's what I'm doing and that's why I leave mine natural.

01/18/2023

Still 👀
Decided to go a different way in our program afterall and this girl is available.
Swanna is a brown parti, genetically sable standard poodle.
Just had her third heat and her fourth heat is expected around August or September this year. Has not been bred yet and is still intact.
Will be 3 years old in December, she just turned two last month.
Would like to do a guardianship on her or purchase flat out.
If you may be interested please send us a message.

01/06/2023

This ❤️

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01/06/2023

I will be looking for either a new male poodle for my program or a stud for my 2 girls when they are mature. Swanna is now 2 it is currently on her third heat. She should be bree for h first time in Autumn 2023 and another ½ year for Olenna at least. No rush.

*Swanna is currently in heat but we are skipping this heat due to bad timing with life circumstances. Hopefully by Autumn we can finally get a first litter from her. Her next heat after this would be sometime in August probably or September 2023 which would make the pups ready around Halloween if we do have a litter then. If you'd like to get on our waitlist just PM us!
We will most likely use a parti stud so all the pups would be parti-color.
*Olenna is currently a year and a half old and has not yet has her first heat so she probably won't be able to have her first litter if all goes well in that time until late 2024 at the earliest. And I will be looking for a phantom stud for her.

Swanna and Olenna will have some gorgeous pups guaranteed!
Swanna's genetics for color:
Ay/a
As/As
b/b
E/e
Kb/ky
m/m
sp/sp

Olenna's genetics for color:
Ay/at
As/As
B/b
m/m
sp/sp
(Still need to test K and E locus but should be the same as her sister)

I Will be looking for a male that is clear genetically for DM (and clear for everything else) and looking for following color genetics and structure:
at/at, at/ay, at/a
As/As
B/b, b/b
E/e, e/e
Kbr/ky, ky/ky
I/I, I/i
S/sp, sp/sp

Must have:
Straight top line, a natural tail structure (no docked dogs) that is 50% or more straighter than curled and high set at the base, proud, regal stance when stacked, good angulation in legs, large ears (the tips of which should be able to reach the tip of the Poodles nose and cover the dogs face like a mask, many lines nowadays produce small ears which is incorrect and often overlooked, much like tail structure), deep chest (not deer barreled), square stature when in proper stack (please post stack photos of you stud or puppy if you have them), proper neck length (should be the same length or close to the dogs shoulder blade length from the point of the chest to the withers.), moderately long, tapered muzzle, or wider, classic type structure like *Harvey (*shown below).

LMK what you have available for stud. Shipped frozen semen is fine and i would prefer to AI but open to live cover if you live nearby.
Open to Puppy back option pending stud options.

Please PM if you have a good stud option for my girls

01/06/2023

01/02/2023

Running a business is hard.

What they don’t tell you is that it can cause severe anxiety, and drains you mentally to the point of depression in even the most laid back people.

People will talk about you, compare you to others, use you, they will view you as a service and not a person anymore.

Friends will expect discounts on everything and value you and your hard work less than a big chain store. Not to mention that you are providing a specialized service. I can’t imagine going to your hairdresser and getting your hair done and never tipping. I don’t think you’re hairdresser would continue to “find appointments or even fit you in “ when you can’t be bothered to show your appreciation for their specialized services. Basically I am a hairdresser for your child that doesn’t sit still and doesn’t have the ability to communicate, and I am chasing them around a grooming table, trying to meet your expectations, and after all that, you tell me they look great, but no tip.

Starting up and running a successful business puts incredible strain on personal lives and relationships, many of which fail because there is just often no work life balance.

You need to be the director, the worker, the admin, the marketing team, the accountant, the cleaner..... All whilst being a parent, a wife, family support, friend...

There’s a reason you don’t see many people succeed in small businesses after 5-10 years. It takes a toll. It’s freaking exhausting. Especially this past year.

Here’s a small reminder that we are just normal people with hectic lives. Be kind, be patient….. and hopefully more of us will stick around!

❤ I copied this from a friend and thought it was pretty spot on!

12/13/2022

Our lovely trio ❤️💜💜 Sire and daughter's
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11/21/2022

11/17/2022

Updated our website. Check it out.

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11/16/2022

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11/16/2022

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11/16/2022

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11/16/2022

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11/16/2022

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11/11/2022

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11/01/2022

They are 15 years commitment ..

10/24/2022

All dogs must go!
Getting out of this breed.

2 female standards, sisters
Harvey, our prized stud may be available as well but idk yet.
And a chihuahua male are available.
Pm for info.
Open to neg.

10/23/2022

😂

It’s that time of year again. Leaves are great for dog snuffle games, but I could give my p**p searches a miss!

**psearch

10/20/2022

We have a 1 yr old female available. Pm for info.
Carries DM (not affected), clear for all else.
Akc registered. Ukc eligible.
UKC Champion sired.

09/25/2022

This is our absolutely favorite season of the year if you can't tell by our kennel name 😂 🍁 🎃 ❤️

Since Swanna did not take her first breeding we are hoping to try again next spring in 2023.
Olenna will hopefully be bred for the first time next autumn.

09/21/2022

Solid is only ONE color with absolutely NO markings.

Abstract is less than 50% White markings, on the dog on any color or pattern. (Typically on the paws, face, chest, belly and tail startin at the tip, but can be anywhere on the body.)

Parti-color is 50% or more white, on any color and pattern (randomly distributed all over the body).

Tuxedo can be on either abstract or parti-color in pattern but it is a distinct pattern covering only the face, paws, chest, belly and tip of the tail. What makes the tuxedo different from a parti-color is it is still less than 50% white covering the dog and it typically should not have ticking in the white areas but with poodles that is quite inevitable and most tuxedos in Poodles still have ticking in the white markings.
But a true Irish tuxedo (like the pattern of coloring and white you typically see on Collies) will have no ticking in the white areas.

*Pics for example of partis, abstracts and solids. All are either owned or produced right here at OG Poodles.

09/07/2022

Been saying this forever

I had to disassemble this from another page and re-assemble it here (something changed in FB), hopefully it comes out correctly. We post about this from time to time- important information for growing pups. Something related to keep in mind- jumping (jumps that involve impact) are never healthy for a dog's joints. Yes, there are those that are trained for it, but if you watch some of the extreme jump videos (think Malinois), the trainer often catches the dog, rather than let the impact hurt them.

The Mobile Vet Nurse
September 1 at 12:40 AM ·
This is something everyone should see. This xray is of a 2 week old puppy.

When you get your 8/10 week old puppies, please keep this image in mind. Their bones do not even touch yet. They plod around so cutely with big floppy paws and wobbly movement because their joints are entirely made up of muscle, tendons, ligaments with skin covering. Nothing is fitting tightly together or has a true socket yet.

When you run them excessively or don't restrict their exercise to stop them from overdoing it during this period you don't give them a chance to grow properly. Every big jump or excited bouncing run causes impacts between the bones. In reasonable amounts this is not problematic and is the normal wear and tear that every animal will engage in.

But when you're letting puppy jump up and down off the lounge or bed, take them for long walks/hikes, you are damaging that forming joint. When you let the puppy scramble on tile with no traction you are damaging the joint.

You only get the chance to grow them once. A well built body is something that comes from excellent breeding and a great upbringing-BOTH, not just one.

Once grown - around 12-18 months depending on their breed, you will have the rest of their life to spend playing and engaging in higher impact exercise. So keep it calm while they're still little baby puppies and give the gift that can only be given once.

08/29/2022

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08/27/2022

Our poodles would LOVE this slide!

08/27/2022

Good morning everyone. As you may know we took a break a few months ago because we needed to move to a new home. As the result of that move we are continuing our program luckily and we have joined forces so to speak with a few other breeders. When I say a few I mean about 15 who are fairly new and local to me that I am mentoring. We will be breeding together and continuing our programs together and hopefully make some magic happen in the poodle world. Specifically multicolor poodles. As you know here at October Glory we specialize in parti color with ticking and are working on maintaining dark, non-fading colors. (Regardless of what they say all breeders have their own preference for color and patterns that they choose to breed. Many breeders will say that they don't breed for color when in fact most of them pretty much do. They just don't label it that way. )
Of course, we always consider health, structure and temperament as wel as individual abilities in our dogs before any other choices are made.

Poodle lines are so saturated with the silver fading we really don't want to contribute to that as so many other breeders do without thinking twice, just like we don't want to contribute to severely curly or kinked tails when the breed should have a straight tail and we refuse to hide that by docking the tails off so no one can see the structural flaw like so many other breeders choose to do. (Think before you breed please, what are you really contributing to the breed to better it? If you are talking tales it's not tail structure which is gone downhill for decades. Anyone going to help me correct that or do I have to do it on my own? Cuz I don't have a problem doing it on my own I just feel like with thousands of breeders out there I shouldn't be the only one trying to fix it... And I know the argument some of you will have is well it's just a tail it's not that important. My argument to that is but it is part of the dog's structure which should be good and to breed standard should it not? Cuz if you're docking the tail without any mind for the structure of it then you're actually contributing a flaw. So think about that long and hard and deep... I mean it is part of being an ethical breeder after all is not purposely breeding flaws into the breed. You should know what you are breeding and producing especially if you've been breeding for more than a few years. If you're new to the game then that's excusable because you are new. Seasoned breeders I expect better).
The point I'm trying to make is you can't call yourself an ethical breeder if you are contributing flaws to the breed because that is literally unethical. Look it up it's in the breeder code of ethics. So what are you doing about it? That is my question to all breeders.

Our puppies are all natural with tail and dew claws intact and we refuse to sell puppies that are not whole. If a puppy has parts missing I assume it would be discounted. But that's my thought process. I do what I do and you guys can continue doing whatever you're doing. I'm actually trying to improve and better the breed in the little ways that I can.

A few small ripples can make giant waves!

I wish everyone good luck with their breedings and their programs in years to come.

* To any haters and breed snobs out there constantly harassing me and other breeders and reporting my page trying to get me booted off social media because you don't agree with what I say when I don't agree with you, just keep your pettiness to yourself. Nobody wants it including your friends but they aren't brave enough to say it to your face. Probably because you're possibly a narcissistic abuser and don't even realize it since narcissists are incapable of self-reflection and they project a lot...I am not afraid of you and you wont win here. And I suggest in about 15 years when I'm a show judge don't come in my ring cuz you will not win and I will tell you everything that's at fault on your dog since you love doing it to others for no apparent reason and you seem o think you dogs are the best. (News flash to the haters, I've researched all your dog's pedigrees years ago and they're all related to my dogs one way or another. They're not any better and neither are you, especially if you're a giant hypocrite and a narcissist. Some of you have literally gone out of your way to create Facebook groups just to bash and tear down other people and I have all of it to show how you really are. And everyone can easily see it. You don't have to lie when it's that obvious... You have your group for bashing and tearing down and I have my group to expose you for who you really are and what you really are. By name I have something from each of you haters. Your own words, not manipulated and misconstrued. We fight fire with fire here so GOOD LUCK 😂). There's your dose of truth.

If anyone has questions feel free to send me a message.

08/27/2022

Happy Dog Appreciation day!

08/26/2022

😲

This is wild. It rained yesterday at Death Valley National Park.

Prior to yesterday, rain had never been recorded on August 25 in Death Valley.

08/22/2022

Do you want a free puppy?

Do you live in Oklahoma, own your home, have a fenced yard and no intact male or female dogs?

If so DM me today! We may have a guardian home opportunity 🏡 in the near future.

*Pending pregnancy confirmation