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More of my grandrats. ❤️
04/13/2024

More of my grandrats. ❤️

Really nice comparison of Ruusian Blue, Russian Chocolate and Russian Dove.
03/10/2024

Really nice comparison of Ruusian Blue, Russian Chocolate and Russian Dove.

Downunder baby bellies! I'll get more pictures of the whole litter later. But I was so excited to get some CLIF line Dow...
03/10/2024

Downunder baby bellies! I'll get more pictures of the whole litter later. But I was so excited to get some CLIF line Downunder babies. ❤️

Dumbo Dwarf Russian Dove Marble. I must thank Julie for this baby. She bred dwarf into the lines for her dwarf army. Thi...
03/10/2024

Dumbo Dwarf Russian Dove Marble. I must thank Julie for this baby. She bred dwarf into the lines for her dwarf army. This is this result. Lol

Sadly, I don't work with dwarf, so she will be a return to sender and sent to Julie. ❤️

That dorsal stripe. 🥰😍 While I generally like the heavier marked Marble, I can't help but adore this baby. The very dark...
02/28/2024

That dorsal stripe. 🥰😍 While I generally like the heavier marked Marble, I can't help but adore this baby. The very dark black contrasting the diluted background. I'm in love. ❤️

The rest of the litter is heavier marked but also have pretty nice dorsal stripes.

UK Pearl and Pearl Merle Babies!Took me a few days to get pictures of these cuties, but here they are. There are four Li...
02/28/2024

UK Pearl and Pearl Merle Babies!

Took me a few days to get pictures of these cuties, but here they are. There are four Light Phase Pearl babies, at least one is Agouti based. Two Silver Mink and three Cinnamon/Cinnamon Pearl babies (Medium/Dark Phase). There is a mix of Silver Mink (Recessive Pearl) and lethal dominant Pearl in this line. Also, there are some Merle spots on some of these guys.

Since Facebook made it too difficult to share a link to the article or alter/add photos, I decided to go ahead and start...
02/28/2024

Since Facebook made it too difficult to share a link to the article or alter/add photos, I decided to go ahead and start making articles on a website. It's going to take me a very long time, but I'll do one at a time and share them here as I get them complete.

I'll likely start with the rare genes that don't have a lot of information or coverage. My ultimate goal is to get all of the information in one place, including history, action of the gene, photo examples, identification, etc. I'll add information to each page when I think of it or get time to.

In the meantime, I made the first pass on the Recessive Chocolate page. I still have some standards to add on some of the multi dilutes of Chocolates and do a bit more editing, but I'll get to it!

I added a large photo gallery at the bottom of comparisons, Chocolates, etc. I hope this helps! Thank you for all of the contributions! If anyone else desires to contribute, please contact me!

We have included varieties that might be confused with Chocolates to further assist those seeking to identify what genotype they are working with. These include Snowflake, Bad Black, c-locus diluted...

02/17/2024

More of my fuzzy grandchildren. Check Julie out, she's in Oregon, but usually has pet adoptions available when I don't. ❤️

Marble LitterI'm really loving this litter. They are quite dark and heavily marked compared to what I've been getting in...
02/15/2024

Marble Litter

I'm really loving this litter. They are quite dark and heavily marked compared to what I've been getting in my Marble line. I'm quite fond of the messier marked Marbles, even though the cleaner Marbles are stunning as well.

This is an out cross to the Snowflake Chocolate carrier buck. Hoping he will help in the temperament department. They aren't too bad, but they tend to be a bit more hyperactive than I like.

Update on the Chocolate Out Cross LitterThe light blue baby turned out to be Classic Lilac (Chocolate + American Blue) a...
02/15/2024

Update on the Chocolate Out Cross Litter

The light blue baby turned out to be Classic Lilac (Chocolate + American Blue) and she's gorgeous. It's a combination I wanted to see pop up for over a decade now and it's more than I could hope for. It has Chocolatey undertones but a crisp Blue sheen. It's definitely a shade I'd like to see more often.

From left to right, Black, Chocolate Classic Lilac and Russian Silver. The Russian Silver is a foster from another litter.

Both parents to this litter also happen to be low expression Snowflake. They are also two of my favorite rats in my rattery. I just adore this line in temperament, health so far.

Chocolate Line Out CrossSire and Dam are low expression Self Black Snowflakes carrying Chocolate and Russian Blue. Possi...
02/12/2024

Chocolate Line Out Cross

Sire and Dam are low expression Self Black Snowflakes carrying Chocolate and Russian Blue. Possible carriers for American Blue and clocus.

Two beans are Chocolate, three black and one is a Blue and Chocolate based. I can't currently tell if she is Russian Chocolate and lighter than normal or Classic Lilac (Chocolate and American Blue). Perhaps a combo of the Blues and Chocolate? I keep seeing heathering, but then again, the color looks inconsistent and I can't see the heathering when photographed. It's rare I'm stumped on colors, but I guess I'm going to have to wait a few more days.

Anyway, it's a really nice comparison of Chocolate vs. Black.

Russian Chocolate or Chocolate Dove DoeThis is one of my favorite girls. She's super sweet and extremely social. Her typ...
02/12/2024

Russian Chocolate or Chocolate Dove Doe

This is one of my favorite girls. She's super sweet and extremely social. Her type is quite nice as well. She's part of the pure line of GEMS Chocolates. Which I am forever grateful that GEMS shared with me. ❤️

Russian Silver DoeI'm really happy with this girl, like overall she's quite nice. Temperament is awesome, type is really...
02/12/2024

Russian Silver Doe

I'm really happy with this girl, like overall she's quite nice. Temperament is awesome, type is really nice, health has been great. I'm really proud to have her in my program.

I'm hoping that's not just a chubby tummy from too many treats and she's actually brewing a bean storm in her belly. Hopefully she's carrying the future of my American Blues.

Her brother and sisters went to Julie. ❤️ So, I'm excited to see what Julie does with them as well!

Chinchilla Line - Velvet Squirrel (Chinchilla Russian Blue Agouti) and Velvet DWS Russian Blue Agouti doesThese ladies a...
02/11/2024

Chinchilla Line - Velvet Squirrel (Chinchilla Russian Blue Agouti) and Velvet DWS Russian Blue Agouti does

These ladies are visual Velvet coat, not the Rexoid Velveteen. Velvet is a recessive coat that is extremely soft, plush and dense, it feels like Rex Rabbit fur and it's the softest rat coat you've ever felt.

This is also a great comparison of two six week old does where one is Chinchilla and the other is just Dominant White Spotting. You can clearly see one has started molting out some of the yellows and the other has retained them and still looks very much Agouti based.

Re Marten BebesWhile they have a lot of mottling, I'm hoping these guys will be the improvement I need on temperament. I...
02/11/2024

Re Marten Bebes

While they have a lot of mottling, I'm hoping these guys will be the improvement I need on temperament. I should be able to start working on the quality of the Martens next generation though.

In the meantime, they are adorable!

These little buttons are an out cross of my Chocolates to a gorgeous buck from Jozzy's Rat Pack Rattery. A couple of the...
02/11/2024

These little buttons are an out cross of my Chocolates to a gorgeous buck from Jozzy's Rat Pack Rattery. A couple of these kids are already showing excellent type and they are two days. Grow beans, grow!

UK Pearl MerleYou might have noticed it looks like she swallowed a lemon. She's expecting a legion of beans right now an...
02/11/2024

UK Pearl Merle

You might have noticed it looks like she swallowed a lemon. She's expecting a legion of beans right now and I think she's ready for their eviction.

You might also be thinking, but I don't see any Merle spots, you'd be correct. She makes me cry every night. The absolute crime of having UK Mink based Merle, they are very light Merles.

That said, she's gorgeous and I adore her to bits. She's calm and sweet and extremely social. I am super excited about her litter to my Russian Cinnamon Pearl buck.

Chinchilla Line BeansI had a couple of little cows born. Not something I really NEEDED in the Chinchillas, but goodness,...
02/11/2024

Chinchilla Line Beans

I had a couple of little cows born. Not something I really NEEDED in the Chinchillas, but goodness, aren't they cute? Im super tempted to keep them and start a spotty DWS line. DWS really does produce some of the most interesting markings. The other two blazed are possible Chinchilla.

Russian Blue based Tonkinese and one little Russian Blue Siamese. These guys are het. Tonk/Himalayan Pt and Homozygous T...
02/09/2024

Russian Blue based Tonkinese and one little Russian Blue Siamese. These guys are het. Tonk/Himalayan Pt and Homozygous Tonkinese. Temperament is flawless so far. The Tonkinese have been a struggle for the last couple of years. They haven't been the easiest to smooth out as far as temperament, but the last couple generations have proven to extremely successful. I'm so happy with them.

Now comes to the tricky part, having to choose which to keep. I love them and each one has that perfect characteristic that makes them ideal. This is going to be a tough one.

Interesting fact, these guys go back to KODA's foundation stock of Tonkinese. I was able to get babies from their first generation of Tonkinese, shortly after they discovered them. I plan on posting an article with photos of Tonkinese shortly, if I can make the time.

This litter is not for pet placement. I will likely resume pet placements in the summer. Thank you for your understanding. ❤️

I forgot to post these guys a bit ago, but I'm really proud of them. They are extremely social, nicely typed and adorabl...
02/09/2024

I forgot to post these guys a bit ago, but I'm really proud of them. They are extremely social, nicely typed and adorable. I'm also really happy with the high expression of the Silvermane gene.

They are an out cross from Julie's Whitesided Silvermanes that are a beautiful example of Silvermane to a buck with wonderful type and excellent health. All of these kids are Whitesided and Dumbo carriers. Really excited for the future with them. They should be an excellent line for pet placements.

Chinchilla beans. Impossible to tell who will be Chinchilla right now, but they are all super cute, so it doesn't really...
02/05/2024

Chinchilla beans. Impossible to tell who will be Chinchilla right now, but they are all super cute, so it doesn't really matter. At this stage, I want to keep them all. ❤️

Platinum Agouti (possibly Russian Blue as well) based Chinchilla buck. He has very faint splotches of yellow still left,...
02/05/2024

Platinum Agouti (possibly Russian Blue as well) based Chinchilla buck. He has very faint splotches of yellow still left, but he's still a young man and every molt loses more. He's sired a few litters for me.

He's absolutely gorgeous in person, lots of Chin sparkling. You can't tell he was ever Agouti based.

Temperament is standoffish, but I'll continue to work on them.

Chinchilla Doe (Agouti)Not a nice lady, but a lovely one. These guys need quite a bit of temperament work, so..they won'...
02/05/2024

Chinchilla Doe (Agouti)

Not a nice lady, but a lovely one. These guys need quite a bit of temperament work, so..they won't be placed anytime soon. No aggression at all, but she is flighty and doesn't really like to be held.

Her 2nd molt with me and she continues to lose quite a bit of yellow. Loving the fading so far. Hoping she continues to progress.

Edit - I added a photo of her right before her new molt so you can see the transition of the Fy gene. The photo at the bottom was taken about ten days before the new one. You can see how much color she's lost over that short period.

This guy is around 10 weeks and it's quite as nice as the other buck is, but lost some of his yellows during his first m...
02/05/2024

This guy is around 10 weeks and it's quite as nice as the other buck is, but lost some of his yellows during his first molt. Perhaps a Half Chin. I'll have to wait and see how he matures out. Regardless, he's such handsome young man. ❤️

7 week old Chinchilla buck. He's already lost quite a bit of his yellows. Such a lovely fellow.
02/05/2024

7 week old Chinchilla buck. He's already lost quite a bit of his yellows. Such a lovely fellow.

02/03/2024
Information Regarding Recessive ChocolateArticle by Christina M. Cain (Nevermore Rodentry). If you would like to post th...
02/03/2024

Information Regarding Recessive Chocolate
Article by Christina M. Cain (Nevermore Rodentry).
If you would like to post the information on this article, you are welcome to, but please give proper credit.

If you would like your Rattery added to known breeders with this variety, please contact me. If you would like to contribute to the article or photos, I would love that. You will be given full credit.

Genetics: b/b (b-locus)
Black Pigment (eumelanin) is diluted to brown. Yellow and Red pigmentation is unaffected.

General Standard: Chocolate (a/a b/b) - To be a rich, warm Chocolate Brown color, devoid of rusting, discoloration or molting patches. Avoid Silvering. Aim towards breeding this variety in self. The topline color should match the ventral area and be as evenly colored as possible. Eyes Black. Skin, Tail and Ears should be brown.

Chocolate Agouti (A/- b/b) - Chocolate Agouti is a rich warm reddish brown, ticked in Chocolate brown fur. The base of the coat is to be slate grey. Chocolate Agouti is quite distinct from Agouti when compared to each other. Next to Cinnamon, Chocolate Agouti takes on the appearance of Agouti, as Cinnamon is a much richer shade than Chocolate Agouti.

Additional Information: Recessive Chocolate is exceedingly rare in the United States. We simply do not have it circulating in the pet fancy. In over two decades of breeding, I have only randomly encountered it twice. I have worked with five different lines of Chocolate and three of those were given to me as proven lines. If you think you have Chocolate, you probably do not. I'm not saying this to discourage you from testing out your lines, but I think it is very important to have realistic expectations. That said, some lines do indeed test out. So, if you have the room, time and patience, by all means, test breed and attempt to find out. I will include information below on identifying Chocolate and test breeding to find out if you have Chocolate.

Breeding Goals: Most lines of Chocolates do not start out a rich warm brown and might appear as a slightly off brown that resembles a bad black. Does this mean every bad black is a Chocolate? No, most certainly not. But once you've proven your line to be recessive Chocolate, selective breeding can begin to breed towards the proper shade of brown, if this is your desire.

Sometimes, it's simply a matter of selective breeding. Set a goal for the warmer and lighter animals and continue to slowly work towards these goals.

Other times, a decent out cross will assist you in achieving your goal a touch quicker. When out crossing Chocolate to achieve a warmer brown, I would recommend one of two out crosses. One, out cross to a RED. This seems to lighten and assist you with warmth.

The secondary out cross would be to rich, warm Agoutis with excessive reds in their banding. Stay away from Agoutis that are cool in shade, with excessive yellows. The goal isn't to breed the Agouti to standard, but to bring in the warmth from them and the possible modifier that is causing it. While this doesn't get you to where you need to be immediately, it does seem to warm and lighten the brown slightly. The goal is to remove the coolness out of the line you are working with and bring in warmth and a warm Agouti has always been a way to accomplish this, in my opinion.
When trying to brighten Cinnamons and add warmth to Mink, both of these methods seem to be effective.

Identifying the Gene -

Tim Tam or Dominant Chocolate: There are Chocolates in the US that are dominant. We imported them with Australian Mink and they are called Dominant Chocolate or Tim Tam. If you breed your Chocolate to an unrelated rat and continuously produce Chocolate, you are likely working with Tim Tam or Dominant Chocolate. They can look extremely similar to Recessive Chocolate, with a warm brown coloration and rich colors. They generally have interesting molting patterns, unlike Recessive Chocolate.

Silvermane Diluting Black to Chocolate: Silvermane has the ability to dilute Black to a brown Chocolate color. They can be quite convincing to the untrained eye, but again, the inheritance will be dominant. Breeding them to another unrelated rat will sometimes produce more. A key visual difference is while they are very Chocolatey in tone, they are also very cool colored.

c-diluted Black: There is no visual difference between Recessive Chocolate and an excellent c-diluted Black. I've made more attractive c-diluted Blacks that I have Chocolate. They are rich and warm in coloration. That said, they are generally extremely hard to reproduce and with age, they tend to cool in shade quite a bit. Inheritance is extremely spotty and doesn't seem to pass dominantly or recessive in nature. They are random within a c-locus line. I have hypothesized that there is perhaps a modifier at play.

Bad Black: Offspring are born with black skin and black eyes. Generally speaking, they do not reproduce themselves. While they might mimic the darker, cooler Chocolates, the will not breed true. Skin black, ears, tail, feet and eyes black. Prone to patchiness.

Snowflake: Snowflake is prone to dilute black to a rich reddish brown coloration. They are generally quite splotchy and rather than a warm brown, they are a slightly reddish brown. Inheritance is tricky as Snowflake is capable in the first generation of diluting black to brown, it can also take a few generations to do so. Most likely, if your browns originate from a Snowflake line, I would highly suspect the Snowflake gene is at play. To test breed, I would approach them by breeding two of the browns together. If you get an entire litter of browns, I would attempt further testing. Inheritance doesn't seem to be recessive with the diluted browns in Snowflake lines.

American Mink: A warm American Mink can be deceiving. They can match phenotype relatively well, inheritance will be Recessive. Visual differences are subtle, but skin is much lighter as kits with American Mink than Chocolate and eyes are often a very dark ruby. Kits will develop their pigmentation a few days after black kits. Use a flash light to shine kits to see the difference in black eyes vs. very dark ruby.

Recessive Chocolate: Eyes Black, coloration of tail, skin, ears will be a light brown. Skin color should be virtually black, with a slight shade different. Next to a black kit, it should be barely noticeable. Kits will develop skin pigmentation generally one day slower than black siblings. Eyes should be as black as a black kit's eyes. This will assist you in identification with kits. Inheritance is Recessive. Coloration can be cool and brown to warm, rich and brown, depending on the line. Chocolate is extremely variable in expression.

Test Breeding:
Check the inheritance of the gene you are working with to eliminate dominant genes from the list of possibilities.

Test breed against other browns you know the genotype of. If you have American Mink or UK Mink, test breed against them.

Out cross to self black lines to assure it is not dominance in nature.

I will include a link to known breeders with Recessive Chocolate. Contact one in your area and see if they will test breed for you once you have gone through the rest of the steps.

Different Varieties of Chocolate -
A/- b/b - Chocolate Agouti (Chocolate + Agouti)
a/a d/d b/b - Russian Chocolate (Russian Blue + Chocolate)
a/a m/m b/b or a/a mo/mo b/b - Cocoa (Chocolate + Mink or American Mink)
a/a g/g b/b - Classic Lilac (Chocolate + American Blue)

Breeders with Known Lines of Chocolate -
https://www.facebook.com/nevermorerodentry
https://www.facebook.com/jaawillamettevalleyrattery
https://www.facebook.com/CosmicBlissRats
https://www.facebook.com/KaiZenRodentry

Additional Resources -
https://ratvarietyguide.weebly.com/chocolate--sienna.html
https://www.afrma.org/c-c_chocrats.htm
https://www.nfrs.org/articles_self.html

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